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Hello. I have been meaning to make this for a while now, but have never had the time to do so. Now that I have found some time, I can get to work on revising the profiles for the Bastard!! series.
All if not most of our Bastard!! pages are copied from the OBD, and in turn, have all of the stats that the OBD came up with. However, after reading and overanalyzing the f*** out of Bastard!! entirely, I have realized that there are some errors across the board in regard to several of the characters statistics.
This is the first in a series of threads pertaining to the revisions of the Bastard!! and deals with the Attack Potency of the characters, and what exactly should be revised.
Also, -SPOILER WARNING-
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1. Anthrax
Anthrax is listed as Continent level, but should be updated to Multi-Continent level based on the following:
-Her power is described as strong enough to cause oceans to boil and rip the earth open.
-In the fight with the Dragon Knight, she was sinking whole continents and moving the entire axis of the planet.
-It is important to note that Anthrax isn't even at full power in this stage. She has a true form which is much stronger since she casually killed Dark Schneider, who had just recently stomped her demonic form.
[Note: This upgrade is very important for other changes further down]
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2. Base Seraphs (Michael and Uriel)
They are currently listed as Large Star and Star level respectively, which is partially true, but not entirely. The reason they are listed as such is because of the power of their divine weapons, which does not necessarily include their innate power. Their standard base power should be listed as Planet level,and ranked as the higher respective tiers with their weapons.
[Note: This also applies to Porno Diane, who is actually the Seraph Gabriel]
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3. Lars Ul
This one is rather simple, as he scales to being stronger tha Anthrax's true form (If you can't tell what's happening here, it is Lars casually killing a Dominion class angel, which is what Anthrax's true form was, the same one who killed Dark Schneider), which would make him Multi-Continent level as well (assuming Anthrax recieves an upgrade). It should be noted that Lars is likely at least somewhat rusty since he was out of action for 15 years just like Dark Schneider was.
4. Dark Schneider
This is easily the biggest/most in-depth change.
Starting off, Dark Schneider needs to have his dividers changed around. While being somewhat similar to his current tabs, they should be as follows: Prime Dark Schneider / Pre-Timeskip Dark Schneider / Hell Arc Dark Schneider / Post-Timeskip Dark Schneider (Base Dark Schneider) / Majin Dark Schneider / Dragon Knight Lucifer (L01) / Adam of Darkness. I know that this is alot, but these are all significant versions of the character that need to be added for accuracy sake. These are also all in chronological order to when the story takes place.
Now onto the actual tiering.
Prime Dark Schneider was more powerful than Lars, who needed to summon the Dragon Knight in order to finally defeat him. Lars, as we know, is superior to Anthrax, who should be Multi-Continent level, meaning Prime Dark Schneider should easily be at this level as well.
Pre-Timeskip Dark Schneider is a mixed case. He has calcs placing him at Large Country level with several spells very early in the story, and later moving on to being able to defeat Anthrax near the end of the Timeskip. The best way to put this in his stats would be "Large Country level early in the story, Multi-Continent level near the end of the time-skip." The reason he starts off much weaker than his prime is because he has been sealed inside a child and laying dormant for 15 years before the start of the story. The whole first half of the manga details his progress as he re-reaches his former glory.
Hell Arc Dark Schneider refers to the version of Dark Schneider depicted in volume 18 who was sent to hell after being killed by Anthrax. In hell, his power increased dramatically, to the point where he was able to casually defeat higher level demons who were 6,600 times more powerful than Anthrax. Now I'm certainly no calcer, but 6,600 times 1 exaton (1 exaton being the baseline for Multi-Continent level) is 6,600 exatons, which reaches into the low zettaton range, which in turn is Small Planet level. This actually makes sense, as he was higher than the upper level demons, and was able to hold his own against Porno Diane (Planet level character), but was still ultimately outclassed by her in the end.
Post-Timeskip Dark Schneider (or Base Dark Schneider), is pretty simple. After the 4 year timeskip, he was shown to be on par with the base Seraphs, was able to match Base Uriel blow for blow, and showed comparable speed to them. He was also able to punch out Konron (A high ranking demon) several times, and was able to split him in half and effortlessly rip off one of his arms, and was even saddened by his lack of power. Effortlessly beating Konron was something only the Base Seraphs seemed capable of, so by seeing Dark Schneider replicate this is further proof that he is equal to them at this point. Combine all of these factors, and Dark Schneider would be as strong as them, making him Planet level in base post-timeskip.
Now Majin Dark Schneider is where it gets a bit crazy. He is rated as Star level scaling off of Uriel's inccorrect stats, when in reality, he should be Galaxy level. Now hear me out, Dark Schneider posseses something called the Judas Pain, which increases ones magical powers immensely, and was stated by Uriel (one of the highest ranked and oldest Angles) that it has enough power to destroy a Galaxy. This is further substantiated in the next version of Dark Schneider, which I will get to now.
Now we have Dragon Knight Lucifer Dark Schneider, or the strongest known form of Dark Schneider. Now, this version of Dark Schneider is rated as 4-A due to an old calc from him and Uriel shattering the Black Abyss. However, several things need to be taken into account: What shattered the Black Abyss was a simple clash between Uriel and Dark Schneider, and wasn't the only thing they were capable of. There is even more proof of Galaxy level when Michael (the highest ranked Angel) was comparing Uriel's power to her own power, and saying that he has the power to destroy the entire Galaxy. Now considering Uriel and Dark Schneider were pretty much even at this moment and were trading blows, this would also make Dark Schneider standard Galaxy level. It would also make sense that the Seraphs know what the levels of their power are, and exactly how powerful the 2 combatants in front of them are due to their age and experience.
[Note: These Galaxy level upgrades apply to Fallen Uriel and Dark Augoeides Uriel since he was as powerful as, and matched Dark Schnieder. I just didn't feel like making another sub-section for him.]
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5. Konro
These are pretty simple as well. He should be downgraded to Small Planet level in base. Considering he was one of the higher ranked devils, and while not quite being as powerful as a Seraph or Devil lord, he should still be at least as powerful or likely significantly stronger than the Higher Order Demons that Dark Schneider manhandled in Hell. He is also one of the demons stated to be 6,600 times stronger than Anthrax, meaning this upgrade is basically given away in the story. This would place him around the Low 5-B range as well, or around the level that Dark Schneider was when he was in hell. This is further solidified by the fact that Konron was portrayed as just as weak to the Seraphs as Dark Schneider was to Porno Diane, who are all Planet level of course.
Now, in Konron's Augoeides, he should be rated as solid Planet level, since the Base Seraphs were shown to be somewhat frightened by the power of his Augoeides.
(It didn't really matter though, since Dark Schneider still casually one-shotted him
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I know that this is a lot of stuff to go through, and I tried to make the layout as nice as possible, so any input would be greatly appreciated. Tell me if you have any questions or concerns with any part of this list, and I will be happy to answer.
All if not most of our Bastard!! pages are copied from the OBD, and in turn, have all of the stats that the OBD came up with. However, after reading and overanalyzing the f*** out of Bastard!! entirely, I have realized that there are some errors across the board in regard to several of the characters statistics.
This is the first in a series of threads pertaining to the revisions of the Bastard!! and deals with the Attack Potency of the characters, and what exactly should be revised.
Also, -SPOILER WARNING-
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1. Anthrax
Anthrax is listed as Continent level, but should be updated to Multi-Continent level based on the following:
-Her power is described as strong enough to cause oceans to boil and rip the earth open.
-In the fight with the Dragon Knight, she was sinking whole continents and moving the entire axis of the planet.
-It is important to note that Anthrax isn't even at full power in this stage. She has a true form which is much stronger since she casually killed Dark Schneider, who had just recently stomped her demonic form.
[Note: This upgrade is very important for other changes further down]
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2. Base Seraphs (Michael and Uriel)
They are currently listed as Large Star and Star level respectively, which is partially true, but not entirely. The reason they are listed as such is because of the power of their divine weapons, which does not necessarily include their innate power. Their standard base power should be listed as Planet level,and ranked as the higher respective tiers with their weapons.
[Note: This also applies to Porno Diane, who is actually the Seraph Gabriel]
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3. Lars Ul
This one is rather simple, as he scales to being stronger tha Anthrax's true form (If you can't tell what's happening here, it is Lars casually killing a Dominion class angel, which is what Anthrax's true form was, the same one who killed Dark Schneider), which would make him Multi-Continent level as well (assuming Anthrax recieves an upgrade). It should be noted that Lars is likely at least somewhat rusty since he was out of action for 15 years just like Dark Schneider was.
4. Dark Schneider
This is easily the biggest/most in-depth change.
Starting off, Dark Schneider needs to have his dividers changed around. While being somewhat similar to his current tabs, they should be as follows: Prime Dark Schneider / Pre-Timeskip Dark Schneider / Hell Arc Dark Schneider / Post-Timeskip Dark Schneider (Base Dark Schneider) / Majin Dark Schneider / Dragon Knight Lucifer (L01) / Adam of Darkness. I know that this is alot, but these are all significant versions of the character that need to be added for accuracy sake. These are also all in chronological order to when the story takes place.
Now onto the actual tiering.
Prime Dark Schneider was more powerful than Lars, who needed to summon the Dragon Knight in order to finally defeat him. Lars, as we know, is superior to Anthrax, who should be Multi-Continent level, meaning Prime Dark Schneider should easily be at this level as well.
Pre-Timeskip Dark Schneider is a mixed case. He has calcs placing him at Large Country level with several spells very early in the story, and later moving on to being able to defeat Anthrax near the end of the Timeskip. The best way to put this in his stats would be "Large Country level early in the story, Multi-Continent level near the end of the time-skip." The reason he starts off much weaker than his prime is because he has been sealed inside a child and laying dormant for 15 years before the start of the story. The whole first half of the manga details his progress as he re-reaches his former glory.
Hell Arc Dark Schneider refers to the version of Dark Schneider depicted in volume 18 who was sent to hell after being killed by Anthrax. In hell, his power increased dramatically, to the point where he was able to casually defeat higher level demons who were 6,600 times more powerful than Anthrax. Now I'm certainly no calcer, but 6,600 times 1 exaton (1 exaton being the baseline for Multi-Continent level) is 6,600 exatons, which reaches into the low zettaton range, which in turn is Small Planet level. This actually makes sense, as he was higher than the upper level demons, and was able to hold his own against Porno Diane (Planet level character), but was still ultimately outclassed by her in the end.
Post-Timeskip Dark Schneider (or Base Dark Schneider), is pretty simple. After the 4 year timeskip, he was shown to be on par with the base Seraphs, was able to match Base Uriel blow for blow, and showed comparable speed to them. He was also able to punch out Konron (A high ranking demon) several times, and was able to split him in half and effortlessly rip off one of his arms, and was even saddened by his lack of power. Effortlessly beating Konron was something only the Base Seraphs seemed capable of, so by seeing Dark Schneider replicate this is further proof that he is equal to them at this point. Combine all of these factors, and Dark Schneider would be as strong as them, making him Planet level in base post-timeskip.
Now Majin Dark Schneider is where it gets a bit crazy. He is rated as Star level scaling off of Uriel's inccorrect stats, when in reality, he should be Galaxy level. Now hear me out, Dark Schneider posseses something called the Judas Pain, which increases ones magical powers immensely, and was stated by Uriel (one of the highest ranked and oldest Angles) that it has enough power to destroy a Galaxy. This is further substantiated in the next version of Dark Schneider, which I will get to now.
Now we have Dragon Knight Lucifer Dark Schneider, or the strongest known form of Dark Schneider. Now, this version of Dark Schneider is rated as 4-A due to an old calc from him and Uriel shattering the Black Abyss. However, several things need to be taken into account: What shattered the Black Abyss was a simple clash between Uriel and Dark Schneider, and wasn't the only thing they were capable of. There is even more proof of Galaxy level when Michael (the highest ranked Angel) was comparing Uriel's power to her own power, and saying that he has the power to destroy the entire Galaxy. Now considering Uriel and Dark Schneider were pretty much even at this moment and were trading blows, this would also make Dark Schneider standard Galaxy level. It would also make sense that the Seraphs know what the levels of their power are, and exactly how powerful the 2 combatants in front of them are due to their age and experience.
[Note: These Galaxy level upgrades apply to Fallen Uriel and Dark Augoeides Uriel since he was as powerful as, and matched Dark Schnieder. I just didn't feel like making another sub-section for him.]
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5. Konro
These are pretty simple as well. He should be downgraded to Small Planet level in base. Considering he was one of the higher ranked devils, and while not quite being as powerful as a Seraph or Devil lord, he should still be at least as powerful or likely significantly stronger than the Higher Order Demons that Dark Schneider manhandled in Hell. He is also one of the demons stated to be 6,600 times stronger than Anthrax, meaning this upgrade is basically given away in the story. This would place him around the Low 5-B range as well, or around the level that Dark Schneider was when he was in hell. This is further solidified by the fact that Konron was portrayed as just as weak to the Seraphs as Dark Schneider was to Porno Diane, who are all Planet level of course.
Now, in Konron's Augoeides, he should be rated as solid Planet level, since the Base Seraphs were shown to be somewhat frightened by the power of his Augoeides.
(It didn't really matter though, since Dark Schneider still casually one-shotted him
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I know that this is a lot of stuff to go through, and I tried to make the layout as nice as possible, so any input would be greatly appreciated. Tell me if you have any questions or concerns with any part of this list, and I will be happy to answer.
