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Funny Valentine vs Jugram Haschwalth

Why would you do this to us Weekly...?

How was Jugram even defeated in canon? Valentine was destroyed by the IR, but I don't think Jugram has anything similar to it to pierce through Love Train.

In any case, this seems like an infinite re-direction of attack damage and misfortune. It can quite literally go either way or nowhere at all. I don't think a fair answer can be given to be honest, this battle is truthfully the definition of a stalemate.

Inconclusive.
 
She is protected by Love Train too. He'd need to break it first, and I don't see any of his abilities that could definitively do so.
 
HierophantDeluxe said:
She is protected by Love Train too. He'd need to break it first, and I don't see any of his abilities that could definitively do so.
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Afaik love train is the light itself and you are only protected by it if you are in the light

So I'm pretty sure she isnt protected

But if she is then this is incon as neither can really affect the other

Unless love trains light gets equalized in a way that let's jugram absorb it like reishi
 
Alright, I'll cast a vote. First, let's establish some win conditions just so we are clear this isn't a stomp.

At the very minimum, Valentine can use Cream Starter to "Heal" his hands and feet together to incapacitate him. Or send his shield into another dimension

Jugram has the slightest chance to be able to get a bunch of fatal wounds, and then reflect all of that on D4C when it is retreating into the light killing Valentine instantly and not letting him reflect it.

Now, for my vote. I think Valentine takes this pretty conclusively, but it is gonna take him a while to figure out a way around Jugram's abilities, and Jugram is gonna be trying to find a way around Valentine's defensive abilities as well. However, Valentine is a really ******* smart dude, but he also has a tendency to just say "**** it" which helps him here. He has an obvious win by BFRing Jugram into a parallel world and just leaving him there, but there is always the chance Jugram can find his way back, maybe by the key or something else. If that fails, he will realize that the shield is how his missfortune reflection works, and send that into another dimension (one that Jugram will not so easily track due to Valentine's network of other him), then either give him a paper cut or fuse fruit fly into his skin by accident and let that shit end up in his heart. If Jugram does the halo thing, then Valentine goes for the very obvious round floating disk and moves his finger nails or a piece of wood into that thing

For these reasons, I vote Valentine
 
If Love Train is allowed: stomp.

If Love Train is disallowed: we can have a match.
 
Leaving the light at all legit gets him passively killed lol. Also the shield doesn't matter in any way he just uses it to store all the misfortune for one massive reflection.
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
Leaving the light at all legit gets him passively killed lol. Also the shield doesn't matter in any way he just uses it to store all the misfortune for one massive reflection.
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I have serious doubts about Funny getting "passively killed".
 
It's allowed because redirecting misfortune is the entire theme of the match

Then Jugram cant win. Simple as that.
 
Muh Reiatsu crush.

Muh Reiatsu crush.

The only guy who has shown to passively crush people into the verge of dying is Aizen. Note that I say passively. I didnt say that if Jugram focused on Funny he wouldnt be able to make him foam or something.
 
Huh? it's literally just exerting energy also many people have done it just existing. Aizen isn't the 1st lol.

Stark did it because he was too strong, Yama did it and killed some hollows from like 20km away.
 
Oh, yeah, Starrk. I nearly had forgotten about the guy.

Anyway, Jugram must concentrate on Funny to crush him, not simply stand there looking into the infinity. That was my point. If you disagree, please, tell me how Soul Society exists when Yamamoto would have passively kill every soul out there.

Love train makes it so that Jugram cant win, so its not lile anything changes.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
He's referring to when and if Funny goes out of Love Train.
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If Reiatsu Crush was 100% passive and 100% effective, the moment a single one of Funny's fingers left LT, it'd get ripped. Funny would see this and not leave LT ever again.
 
PaChi2 said:
Muh Reiatsu crush.
Muh Reiatsu crush.

The only guy who has shown to passively crush people into the verge of dying is Aizen. Note that I say passively. I didnt say that if Jugram focused on Funny he wouldnt be able to make him foam or something.
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Reiatsu Crush has shown a verity of effects at different levels, but anyone who exerts their Reiryoku outward exerts their Reiatsu.

Aizen was the only one to showcase himself disintegrating someone because the difference between himself and that who he disintegrated, a human and someone random member of the Soul Society's stealth force, was so enormously massive that it isn't even funny.

That is not the case for other characters. Where the difference in power is much much smaller.


The difference between High 6-A and 8-C, is, in fact, massive. Definitely within range for disintegration.
 
"The difference between High 6-A and 8-C, is, in fact, massive. Definitely within range for disintegration."

And this is why Haschwalt cant win.

And well, might as well rise the questio of why they didnt destroy the Seireitei passively when they first arrived.
 
PaChi2 said:
Oh, yeah, Starrk. I nearly had forgotten about the guy.
Anyway, Jugram must concentrate on Funny to crush him, not simply stand there looking into the infinity. That was my point. If you disagree, please, tell me how Soul Society exists when Yamamoto would have passively kill every soul out there.

Love train makes it so that Jugram cant win, so its not lile anything changes.
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He suppresses himself, as do all Captains.
 
The same reason Ichigo exist in the human world when he shouldn't. The same reason Orihime can stand near Ulquiorra who's energy was described as an ocean above the sky, and the same reason Yhwach who could pin dozens of people to the ground while on horseback didn't instantly kill Orihime.

It's all for plot or just ignoring pre-established mechanics. Powerful Captain class Shinigami have to wear limiters when they go to the human world to have minimal affect on it.
 
PaChi2 said:
"The difference between High 6-A and 8-C, is, in fact, massive. Definitely within range for disintegration."
And this is why Haschwalt cant win.
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Why?

Not everyone has read Jojo - I don't know why this is the case.
 
If Reiatsu Crush was 100% passive and 100% effective, the moment a single one of Funny's fingers left LT, it'd get ripped. Funny would see this and not leave LT ever again.

^^^^

Funny would have to leave the light completely in order to kill him. Something that wont happen unless he decides to do something absolutely OoC for him if the moment a single finger of his gets crushed after going outside.
 
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