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Funny Valentine vs Jugram Haschwalth
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What do you mean by this?PaChi2 said:
And isn't this a neutral universe? Wouldn't going back in time be useless since Jugram doesn't live here? And even if you ignore that, how would he know where to look anyway?
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It's not going back in time but taking an alternate version of a character from another timeline.
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"Paradoxing: When Valentine brings an individual to another parallel world, if they meet their alternate self from that world, both will begin to crumble into Menger Sponges, being drawn closer and closer together until they are both completely obliterated. Thanks to D4C, Valentine himself and all of his alternate selves are immune to this, allowing him to make use of them in combat situations."
From Funny Valentine's page.
From Funny Valentine's page.
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If it is an alternate version, how could he bring kid Jugram?
And does he need to touch the one he brings, because I am pretty sure trying to go near alternate versions of Jurgram would be like fighting the one he is currently fighting?
And again, how will he know where to look in this neutral verse with a person he knows nothing about?
And does he need to touch the one he brings, because I am pretty sure trying to go near alternate versions of Jurgram would be like fighting the one he is currently fighting?
And again, how will he know where to look in this neutral verse with a person he knows nothing about?
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Good point actually, not sure how old Kid Jugram was but he will likely be with Yhwach since he's his other half lol.
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When there are infinite possibilities, a scenario in which Jugram is just Jugram and not Yhwach's right hand, is likely to exist.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
Or a scenario where Jugram is a normal human instead of a Quincy (this one is the most likely out of every possible scenario imo).
And for the record, those can exist since Funny found and alternate Dio with a different Stand.
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There's still a large possibility that the other Jugrams that he is trying to find are still massively stronger than him or are dead.PaChi2 said:
And what? If you change the origins of someone's birth, then they aren't that person anymore. Jugram not being a Quincy would not be Jugram, but a completely different person in place of Jugram.
It's like saying there is an alternate version of Jugram that was born a potato because "lolinfinite universes" and "infinite possibilities".
And again, how will he know where to look in this neutral verse with a person he knows nothing about?
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"And what? If you change the origins of someone's birth, then they aren't that person anymore. Jugram not being a Quincy would not be Jugram, but a completely different person in place of Jugram."
Tell that to the Diego that Funny brought from an another universe that got erased with his counterpart despite having different backstories and stand.
Tell that to the Diego that Funny brought from an another universe that got erased with his counterpart despite having different backstories and stand.
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Even without paradoxing, Funny can still win by fusing together with Jugram stuff till he dies/gets incapped. It's done by spatial manipulation and Funny doesn't even need to exit Love Train to do it.
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Oh, I didn't know it. Okay then, he can still paradox, so it's not a problem.
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Any alternate version of Jugram fighting Funny is the same type of person he is, as all the alternate versions are being born from every possibility that the fight could go through. For example, an alternate universe where a person goes right instead of left, when at an intersection.PaChi2 said:
If there was an alternate version of Jugram that wasn't Yhwach's right-hand man, then that isn't an alternate version of Jugram fighting Funny - that's a completely different person with different actions that aren't being brought into this fight. For example, a person not existing in a timeline where that person's ancestor was killed.
The first scenario demonstrates alternative futures that can happen in a neutral universe because they are being made at the start of their fight.
The second scenario demonstrates alternative futures that can't happen in a neutral unknown universe because they are differences that happened in a theoretical past which should not have any effect on this fight taking place in a universe that is completely neutral to both.
If you plucked these characters from their verses and threw them into the real world to fight it out - then alternative versions of characters with different pasts have no impact on this fight because they wouldn't exist in this fight's setting. Changes in actions or thoughts of one character leading to alternate realities will be applicable universes to travel to for Funny, however.
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Original Diego fought Funny Valentine and was his enemy.
Alternate Diego decided instead to ally himself with Funny.
Yet they still got paradoxed.
Alternate Diego decided instead to ally himself with Funny.
Yet they still got paradoxed.
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Did you not read that huge blurb of text I wrote?TriforcePower1 said:
Any alternate version of someone that comes from theoretical pasts can't exist on a neutral universe - the only alternative versions of a character that can exist in a neutral unvierse are ones that were born from possible decsions and indescions made by either character or both of them simulatousny.
If this fight took place in the Bleach-verse, you might have an argument, but it doesn't, it takes place in the real world.
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>Time Shenanigans
Ugh....every match with dealing with time travel or something similar is weird...
Ugh....every match with dealing with time travel or something similar is weird...
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There is no time travel involved in D4C though
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^Hst master said:
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@Warren
Nice theory, but the alternate realities that FV access are not divergent, so they can have different pasts. In the infinite multiverse, to assume that Jugram won't be fighting funny in an alternate reality just cuz he isn't Yhwach's right hand man is baseless, since Johnathan and Dio are still fighting in extremely different realities like universe J. FV's ability is the coexistence of alternate possibilities, which means that verse equalization does not get rid of the cosmological interpretation of his ability. He could grab a Jugram who was a rice farmer in America, and still use that to paradox him.
Nice theory, but the alternate realities that FV access are not divergent, so they can have different pasts. In the infinite multiverse, to assume that Jugram won't be fighting funny in an alternate reality just cuz he isn't Yhwach's right hand man is baseless, since Johnathan and Dio are still fighting in extremely different realities like universe J. FV's ability is the coexistence of alternate possibilities, which means that verse equalization does not get rid of the cosmological interpretation of his ability. He could grab a Jugram who was a rice farmer in America, and still use that to paradox him.
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@Pachi
It isnt a stomp with Love Train, as I explained above
It isnt a stomp with Love Train, as I explained above
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"Jugram has the slightest chance to be able to get a bunch of fatal wounds, and then reflect all of that on D4C when it is retreating into the light killing Valentine instantly and not letting him reflect it"Iapitus The Impaler said:
As its explained above, D4C gets crushed the moment he leaves the light.
Reiatsu crush powah.
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So is that agreement?
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Alternatively, when Funny Valentine goes to another reality to grab an alternate version Jugram pranks him hard, and goes there as well to crush him
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Lol
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Did you read what I wrote?Iapitus The Impaler said:
I said any alternative version of Jurgram won't be fighting Funny because they are in a neutral universe in which neither character originates from - where every possible alternative version of Jugram doesn't exist within the multiverse, which renders the ability you are talking about useless. Those alternative versions aren't a part of this neutral world - only this Jugram and this Valentine are because we've placed them there for this fight.
That is why I specifically stated this:
"If this fight took place in the Bleach-verse, you might have an argument, but it doesn't, it takes place in the real world."
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Jugram: Exists
Funny: Passively dies in both mind, body and soul.
/Threado
Funny: Passively dies in both mind, body and soul.
/Threado
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"Both"Schnee One said:
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Love Train redirects that misfortune and Funny survives
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@Waren
Except that is directly contradictory to FV's own abilities. FV has the corpse parts, which define the base universe. All other universes are based on the main universe, so if Jugram is there, then there are alternate versions of him. To say that alternate versions of Jugram do not exist is to modify the abilities of one of the characters involved, which is against the rules.
Except that is directly contradictory to FV's own abilities. FV has the corpse parts, which define the base universe. All other universes are based on the main universe, so if Jugram is there, then there are alternate versions of him. To say that alternate versions of Jugram do not exist is to modify the abilities of one of the characters involved, which is against the rules.
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Are you being sarcastic or do you actually think that?Schnee One said:
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"That's how the power works" - in the Jojo-verseIapitus The Impaler said:
This doesn't take place in the Jojo-verse or the Bleach-verse, it takes place in the Real World - Central Park, New York. These two characters are grabbed from their fictions, thrown in the real world, and are expected to fight one another.
The same logic doesn't apply. I'm not modifying the ability, the OP did that when he changed the setting - the setting is important in a fight for a reason.
Again, if this fight took place in the Bleach-verse - you would have an excellent point, and I'd vote for Valentine because of it.
Anyway, I vote inconclusive as neither can do anything with the other.
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It not taking place in the jojo or bleach verse has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. When you introduce the corpse parts of mormon jesus into our world, then the corpse parts will define our multiverse because that is how they work. You could set the corpse parts in the Mario universe, or the SCP universe, or the family guy multiverse, and the corpse parts will still define their multiverse. The OP did not modify the power, only you have. Dumping SCP-184 would still effect our universe if you put it there, and unless you arbitrarily decide on random terms that it won't, it will function as it does in their universe, and the corpse parts are no different.
Where the hell this match takes place makes no difference at all, and your entire argument completely ignores verse equalization to begin with.
Where the hell this match takes place makes no difference at all, and your entire argument completely ignores verse equalization to begin with.
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Fans: Say Mr. Araki how does this ability work?
Araki: It justs works.
Araki: It justs works.
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What do these corpse parts even do?
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Several things, but for the thing that they do that I was referencing, is that they define the base universe of the multiverse. Every universe is based off of the universe where the corpse parts are, with infinite variations based on them. However, the corpse parts themselves are a singularity that do not exist in any other universe. Instead they will have other valuable items in their place, such as gemsAnonymousBlank said:
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Several things, but for the thing that they do that I was referencing, is that they define the base universe of the multiverse. Every universe is based off of the universe where the corpse parts are, with infinite variations based on them. However, the corpse parts themselves are a singularity that do not exist in any other universe. Instead they will have other valuable items in their place, such as gems
Do you mean the Chaos Emeralds? ovo
But seriously, Mormon Jesus only exists in one Universe outta infinite variations? That's....Bizzare.
Do you mean the Chaos Emeralds? ovo
But seriously, Mormon Jesus only exists in one Universe outta infinite variations? That's....Bizzare.
