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Giorno vs Hades

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Hades Durability = Universe level+

Giorno Durability = (Gold Experience Requiem manipulating causality and reality from outside of existence while time technically didn't exist makes it extremely difficult to destroy)

Giorno was also able to tank KC's move which erased time/space on a universal scale with absolutely no issue whatsover. Durabilitiy seems to be on par with eachother.

I don't see how Hades abilities trump GER's unless he is an acasual being or is a higher dimension above Gio.

This fight is far from being a stomp too. The only thing Gio lacks is the AP but makes up for it with the Death Loop punch + willpower removal and that ungodly speed.

Much closer than it seems.
 
Well... GER got destroyed by Heavenly Acension Dio's The World Over Heaven, whose reality warping isn't on Hades' level so...
 
Reppuzan said:
Well... GER got destroyed by Heavenly Acension Dio's The World Over Heaven, whose reality warping isn't on Hades' level so...
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Using Eyes of Heaven as a way to gague GER's power is kinda off. Seeing as that it is canonically dubious.

Also HA DIO was able to react to Giorno's incredible speed and other such things.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
Hades Durability = Universe level+
Giorno Durability = (Gold Experience Requiem manipulating causality and reality from outside of existence while time technically didn't exist makes it extremely difficult to destroy)

Giorno was also able to tank KC's move which erased time/space on a universal scale with absolutely no issue whatsover. Durabilitiy seems to be on par with eachother.

I don't see how Hades abilities trump GER's unless he is an acasual being or is a higher dimension above Gio.

This fight is far from being a stomp too. The only thing Gio lacks is the AP but makes up for it with the Death Loop punch + willpower removal and that ungodly speed.

Much closer than it seems.
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True but Hade's has multiversal AP which surpasses GERs Durability.

I say Hades still wins, I might have to research both a bit more.
 
It's not really known if Hades could even harm GER due to him being vulnerable to casualty manipulation. There is also GER being infinitely faster than Hades too.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
It's not really known if Hades could even harm GER due to him being vulnerable to casualty manipulation. There is also GER being infinitely faster than Hades too.
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True.

But let's say Hades could hit GER, then Hades would win due to higher AP.

But if GER can't be hit, then GER wins due to blitz or willpower removal.
 
If Hades were to attack GER and it did not to activate it's abilitites then yeah I guess it would die.

However the chance of GER being hit is astronomically low. Hades would have to tag him first which would be impossible. And even if Hades were to strike it the actions of Hades would be reset back to 0 via casualty manipulation.

If Hades was immune to casualty then he would definately score the win. However until then it just looks like a loss for Hades.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
If Hades were to attack GER and it did not to activate it's abilitites then yeah I guess it would die.
However the chance of GER being hit is astronomically low. Hades would have to tag him first which would be impossible. And even if Hades were to strike it the actions of Hades would be reset back to 0 via casualty manipulation.

If Hades was immune to casualty then he would definately score the win. However until then it just looks like a loss for Hades.
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True.
 
GER reacts to threats immediately, regardless of whether or not Giorno has it active.
 
Promestein said:
GER reacts to threats immediately, regardless of whether or not Giorno has it active.
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If so then it's inconclusive.

GER puts Hades will to 0 hence the match is over.

GER doesn't have any attacks that could defeat Hades, he's AP is Universe+ because he nullified another attack that's universal.

Did I say anything wrong?
 
007Goldeneye said:
Promestein said:
GER reacts to threats immediately, regardless of whether or not Giorno has it active.
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If so then it's inconclusive.
GER puts Hades will to 0 hence the match is over.

GER doesn't have any attacks that could defeat Hades, he's AP is Universe+ because he nullified another attack that's universal.

Did I say anything wrong?
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As said before this whole fight revolves around if Hades is immune to casualty and going by his stats he is quite vulnerable too it. GER's infinitely greater speed and C&E hax would be able to take down Hades.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
007Goldeneye said:
Promestein said:
GER reacts to threats immediately, regardless of whether or not Giorno has it active.
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If so then it's inconclusive.
GER puts Hades will to 0 hence the match is over.

GER doesn't have any attacks that could defeat Hades, he's AP is Universe+ because he nullified another attack that's universal.

Did I say anything wrong?
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As said before this whole fight revolves around if Hades is immune to casualty and going by his stats he is quite vulnerable too it. GER's infinitely greater speed and C&E hax would be able to take down Hades.
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I see, I don't know much about the both but it would be weird if a Tier 2-C lost to a Tier Low T-C
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
A Low 2-C can beat a 2-C if the hax,speed and other stats are considered to very potent. Such as GER (I have a big man meat).
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Well GER wins due to his HAX then.

What can I say, there should be a rule though for GER, where he can be hit at least or else he'll win pretty much most matches.
 
Then that ruins the purpose of GER's hax xD. The whole point is for it to being practically invulnerable to anyone who isnt immune to Casualty or has Higher Dimensions than it.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
Then that ruins the purpose of GER's hax xD. The whole point is for it to being practically invulnerable to anyone who isnt immune to Casualty or has Higher Dimensions than it. Also My man meat will whack anyone who tries to get in my way.
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True I guess lol

I guess this thread has come to an conclusion.

GER wins due to HAX.
 
And how about hades Attack Reflection (Any attack without Divine Cosmos thrown at Hades has it's potency reverted to it's user) how GER gonna deal damage to hades?
 
Not Jim Sterling said:
And how about hades Attack Reflection (Any attack without Divine Cosmos thrown at Hades has it's potency reverted to it's user) how GER gonna deal damage to hades?
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If you're going to start throwing this logic around I could just say that people without Stands such as Hades wont even be able to See nor even deal damage to GER. Therefore the reflection would do nothing.

There is also the possibility of GER being able to turn the reflection itself back to 0 and render it useless.
 
I think Hades takes this because isnt it said that hax of a weaker character cannot affect a more powerfull character (in saint seiya) if so hades can negate the hax of GER due to heigher A.P and quickly make a painting of GER along with giorno and erase them from existence.
 
Hades's durability tells us that he is fairly vulnerable to Giorno's hax. So therefore most of his actions he would perform would just be nulled out completely.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
If you're going to start throwing this logic around I could just say that people without Stands such as Hades wont even be able to See nor even deal damage to GER. Therefore the reflection would do nothing.

There is also the possibility of GER being able to turn the reflection itself back to 0 and render it useless.
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No, I pretty much just asked is GER has powerful enough attack to damage hades protection or something like that.

but nevermind.
 
Nothing seems inconclusive in this thread at all. Unless someone comes here and manages to make an argument which would push the fight in neithers favour then I would agree.

And actually Giorno seems to be the one winning this fight..
 
What makes the matchup inconclusive? Giorno has the HAX,speed and range advantage. Hades's durability would allow GER to reset his actions back into zero and put him into a death loop punch.
 
can someone explain to me if GER is supposed to have infinite speed then how was he defeated by dio when even jotaro could get some hits on him.
 
-BANLK- said:
can someone explain to me if GER is supposed to have infinite speed then how was he defeated by dio when even jotaro could get some hits on him.
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As said before. Using Eyes of Heaven as a way to gague GER's powers is not a good idea due to the game itself being canonicially dubious. You can also shove it off as being PIS.

And also using Soul Manipulation wont work. It requires an action to perform and therefore would be set back to 0 again. GER is invulnerable unless Hades is a higher dimension character or is immune to casualty.
 
007Goldeneye said:
Master of all life Hades's presence instantly kills everything within his vicinity and rejects all forms of life.

That means if GER was nearby, he would instantly die.
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Thats a bit of a NLF right there. GER has been able to function perfectly fine even when space/time is completely erased so the power of Hades's presence wont really effect it much.

Also again resetting the presence to zero works too because Hades himself is not acasual/higher dimensional. As said before GER is invulnerable to anything Hades can really dish out because he himself is vulnerable to GER's hax.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
007Goldeneye said:
Master of all life Hades's presence instantly kills everything within his vicinity and rejects all forms of life.
That means if GER was nearby, he would instantly die.
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Thats a bit of a NLF right there. GER has been able to function perfectly fine even when space/time is completely erased so the power of Hades's presence wont really effect it much.
Also again resetting the presence to zero works too because Hades himself is not acasual/higher dimensional. As said before GER is invulnerable to anything Hades can really dish out because he himself is vulnerable to GER's hax.
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GER can react automatically to threats right.

But that doesn't mean GER reacts instantly, it's just automatic.

If Hades hides his own presence and bloodlust and then appears right behind Giorno and erases Giornos atoms.

Then wouldn't Hades win.
 
In the span of time that Hades would appear behind Giorno it would have already reacted to him via its infinitely greater speed.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
In the span of time that Hades would appear behind Giorno it would have already reacted to him via its infinitely greater speed.
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Hades can teleport, so I say Hades win due to hiding his presence and bloodlust then teleporting behind and erasing Giornos atoms.

GER might react automatically to threats but if Hades hides his bloodlust and presence there is no way of knowing it's dangerous, hence Hades wins due to teleport and erasing atoms.

I say that's fair, what do you think?
 
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