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Archie Mega Man vs Grimmon

Ah, I see. I forgot Archie Mega Man was specifically made to kill Grimmon and nothing else. Ovo
 
Hst master said:
O. MM resists tho in his Super Form.
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In Mega Man's case it's more than just resistance.

Immunity to Biological Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, and Mind Manipulation (As a robot, he lacks the organs and soul of an organic being, and can't be manipulated through conventional mind manipulation techniques)
 
When you can manipulate mental data and beings whose minds have already been erased, I don't think this mind hax is super conventional.
 
Pretty sure that's a non issue for Grimmon since he mindhaxxes Digimons in a daily basis. Their minds in digicore aren't minds in the conventional sense either. It's more like a mental aspect to their beings. Doesn't stop Grimmon from haxxing.
 
All Archie super forms resist 2-A mindhax but if Grimmon's mindhax is better and works on non-sentients then ye, it works.

Mega Man leads with the whole "Chaos energy attacks that can affect concepts" sort of deal.
 
Okay, then Grimmon takes this with Chrono DSR. Either Mega Man ended up getting obliterated by the Energy Balls (that's the version ExoGrimmon uses in character) that completely eradicate data on contact or he gets inflicted with the Chrono Virus and gets mind haxxed. Or Grimmon is too dumb to dodge and gets hit with a beam. My vote goes to ExoGrimmon tbh,
 
There is a difference between mind haxing a non-sentient and mind haxing someone with a mind made of nothingness/deleted data. Dark Area Natives are still sentient, just not in the conventional sense.

One is an inconsistency and the other is still a possibility.
 
@DragonEmperor Don't worry, in this particular case it's more that Grimmon's mindhax has the capability to affect mental data, which is the closest equivalent we will ever find to what Megaman's thought processes are done through.

There's no contradiction in this case.
 
FateAlbane said:
@DragonEmperor Don't worry, in this particular case it's more that Grimmon's mindhax has the capability to affect mental data, which is the closest equivalent we will ever find to what Megaman's thought processes are done through.
There's no contradiction in this case.
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Well....that's another thing to.
 
Oh yeah, in case this wasn't made clear from my replies yet, I'm voting for Grimmon here as well.
 
What's the difference between mind haxing someone that is nonexistent and mind haxing a non sentient?

Doesn't the mind still not exist?
 
Considering how Non-Existence and Void Manipulation are being revised even as we speak, I'm pretty sure no one can give an answer to that at the present moment.

Prior to it we assumed there was a corresponding aspect of mind in a non-existent being, equally as hard to interact with as it would be to interact with any other part of their (non-)beings.

As of now, I'm not sure. Probably better to wait before said revisions are resolved. Luckily lacking the answer doesn't stop this match for reasons already explained.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Well according to our Nonexistence rules (which I honestly agree with) there is still a consciousness there. It's just that said consciousness is very unconventional as it is made of nothingness/deleted data.
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Oh, so that didn't change? Nice, then.

EDIT: y_u_delete
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
So the difference is that the mind is made out of nothing?
Noni
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The best way to imagine it is that some aspects of the mind still exist, but are more abstract than a conventional mind since this conventional consciousness to it was already "erased". Thus you need to manipulate it on a level that is at least as unconventional as the being to be haxxed has been shown to be.
 
So Fate, does that mean that mindhaxing nonexistents is not better then existents besides being able to Mind Hax more types of people?

Because if it's bejng compared to a punch that can hit nonexistents, it doesn't do any more damage than a normal punch, it's just a normal punch that can hit things that don't exist.
 
@DE Yes it is. Conventional mind manipulation without feats would likely be disregarded as incapable of affecting non-existents. Say for example you have extremely powerful biological mind hax. It will be useless against a non-existent, they have no body or conventional biological thought processes to be haxxed.

Or you try to mindhax them with a mindhax that has no feats of interacting with beings that are more abstract or removed from reality or that have not a mind in the same conventional sense of humans. There's no reason to believe it would work.

Like anything else, we compare feats. If the mindhax has no feats that can be said to compare or affect things to the level of Abstraction/Unconventional state of being of the non-existent target, it won't work. If it has feats, it will.
 
To make a simple comparison, it's just like fire. Even if it can burn an entire city, doesn't mean because of that it can suddenly keep burning in space without oxygen or burn souls even if the non-corporeal has like Human Level Dura.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
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As one last thing: If you mean potency here, It's a matter of perspective and case by case, really. Homulily for instance didn't mindhax a ton of people, but she did Mindhax one. A 2-A being. So there is that. From this we can see how it is not always "How many" but "What exactly was haxxed and how".

Thus, while quantity is the most common standard, what can be seen as a measurement of potency varies a lot from one verse's feats to another, both from the one haxxing and from the thing they haxxed.

There's no "general" answer to be given for this final side of the question. Only analyzing it case by case and comparing feats.
 
Yeah, so I'm saying being able to Mind Hax five non existents isn't better than being able to Mind Hax five existents, it just means your Mind Hax can effect non existent minds.
 
Yes, in the sense of potency it's the same thing.

But it's still better since the one who mindhaxxes normal people would be helpless against the non-existent while the one with the feat would still have their hax work even against such enemies.
 
But ultimately, that example is very situational and specific. It's still best to take comparisons in a case by case perspective. General answers for this do not exist since the circumstances in verse can change the overall view on the feat entirely.
 
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