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I want to know how this ends. No holds barred, not that either would. Who wins and why?
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Arceus vs Shin Budokai Janemba
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I want to know how this ends. No holds barred, not that either would. Who wins and why?
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Matches between controversial franchises such as Pokemon and DB hardly end well...
...Arceus wins due to speed and hax
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Arceus speed blitzes.
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@SSJRyu1 Nigh Omnipresence is faster than immeasurable
Sighs....Janemba is getting blitzed his physical body's movement speed is unknown but likely between FTL to MFTL he's only nigh omnipresent for existing in other timelines...
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@LordAizenSama OK thanks for clarifying. So janemba blitzes and wins imo. His main form is nigh-omnipresent. He either makes a clone of Arceus to kill each other, or he absorbs Arceus as he has not shown to be able to stop that, or he can possibly posses him, and Janemba has multi universal time and space and reality warping so it is unlikely Arceus could even just erase him even if he had time to.
So Janemba blitzes ftw.
So Janemba blitzes ftw.
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Only on the same level of existence.LordAizenSama said:
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Arceus is quite literally beyond time. He's not getting blitzed, here.SSJRyu1 said:
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yes, but aren't they the same level here?Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
EDIT: on another note, if Dialga/Palkia are omnipresent, Shouldn't that also be true for Arceus who pre-dates them?
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I think it depens on what dimension or place he is Omnipresent, because being Omnipresent in the 3-D is nothing compared to being Omnipresent in the 4-D, Immeasurable means that you are above the concept of time, but it seems that Janemba is Nigh-Omnipresent in an unknown amount of universes (timelines) so he's likely faster than Arceus. I will go to sleep now, good luck with this vs (I like Pokémon, but I hope Janemba wins lol, he's my fav movie villain).SSJRyu1 said:
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No. Janemba is a 3-D being with 4-D powers.LordAizenSama said:
Arceus is a 4-D being who transcends basic time and space due to creating both concepts.
You can't blitz someone from other timelines it's not actual speed it's merely for existing there.Arceus can literally just blitz and Curbstomp him in many ways from the get go or simply stop time and proceed to steamroll him
...Also if Janemba had to spread his energy himself across timelines how's that even nigh omnipresent not that it was in actual movement speed to begin with....
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mm, not really a fan of these non canon game DB Profiles, seem more trouble than they are worth.
@Aza shouldn't that make arceus omnipresent then, also?
@Aza shouldn't that make arceus omnipresent then, also?
@Aizen same...
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existing everywhere at once > any finite speed, can Arceus blitz a nigh omnipresent over multiple timelines/universes? If not Janemba blitzes, if so Arceus does, simple as that. But janemba's nigh omnipresence applies completely to outclassing any other 3D speed aside from omnipresence.Shanks of the red haired pirates said:
He had to spread himself across those timelines
I take example from Yuno Gasai"s profile she has nigh omnipresent for being able to appear anywhere
Janemba just spread his energy that's not nigh omnipresent
Is Naruto nigh omnipresent for spreading clones ? LOL
I take example from Yuno Gasai"s profile she has nigh omnipresent for being able to appear anywhere
Janemba just spread his energy that's not nigh omnipresent
Is Naruto nigh omnipresent for spreading clones ? LOL
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Can Arceus even stop Janemba btw? He was completely unharmed by Gotenks who erased Cell from the timeline by warping dimensions. Also he has reality warping, time space manip of his own. Arceus may not even be able to warp him away anyway tbh.
I'll still go with janemba, they are both 4D beings and I think have similar speed, so maybe equal speed I'd guess. But janemba can literally make a second Arceus to fight the first and they would kill each other, or he could absorb him potentially.
I'll still go with janemba, they are both 4D beings and I think have similar speed, so maybe equal speed I'd guess. But janemba can literally make a second Arceus to fight the first and they would kill each other, or he could absorb him potentially.
There is no similar speed lol
Janembas movement speed is unknown but he's a DB char so it's between FTL to MFTL let's assume high end out of pity
Arceus has immeasurable speed and can hax him from the start. Spreading energy of yourself across time space or whatever is not being able to appear anywhere by Will as the nigh omnipresence"s page says period.
Janembas movement speed is unknown but he's a DB char so it's between FTL to MFTL let's assume high end out of pity
Arceus has immeasurable speed and can hax him from the start. Spreading energy of yourself across time space or whatever is not being able to appear anywhere by Will as the nigh omnipresence"s page says period.
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He spread it early on when he was weaker, but it started all over Hell already nigh omnipresent, and at his peak it was across multiple tiemlines/universes, so no, taking his peak he is across multiple timeliens and universes.Shanks of the red haired pirates said:
Naruto clones do not ever take up all space at once, and they are just separate physical bodies, he is a non corporeal singular entity of one mind that exists all over multiple universes/timelines at once. There is a huge difference.
Doesn't matter whether he's non corporeal or not spreading yourself is not being able to appear anywhere by will that is not nigh omnipresences .
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He didn't need to spread himself to be nigh omnipresent, he was nigh omnipresent all in Hell to start with, everywhere. He only extended his range and power moving to other timelines/universes. So no, he is still nigh-Omnipresent on a multi universal scale at peak. He can just continue to increase the range is all.Shanks of the red haired pirates said:
Going by what's stated on his profile he did need to spread himself and your post in the blog of Janemba you made in which you stated he spread himself across timelines further proves everything...
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He can appear anywhere by will, wherever the evil energy is, which was across the multi universe making him nigh-omnipresence on that scale. "spreading" is only to further increase range, not his speed stat, which is accurate for where it is. He can instantly use hax anywhere his non corporeal energy is.Shanks of the red haired pirates said:
His bodies speed depends on who it is a copy of, and the amount of energy he puts into it. As for his own body when he makes one it's speed is unknown, it is above a vastly superior gotenks is what we know about it. But his body is irrelivent, as he isn't going to attack Arceus with a body, when his hax are faster and more suited for such a battle.
Yeah I'm done this is just ridiculous at this point claiming he has speed advantage or even equal speed over Arceus while his actual movement speed is ridiculously lower even when accepting the false nigh omnipresence for spreading himself in which he is across timelines and does not qualify for actual movement speed.
It's like saying Minato is nigh omnipresent for being able to appear anywhere he marked so laughable .
Welp later
It's like saying Minato is nigh omnipresent for being able to appear anywhere he marked so laughable .
Welp later
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Well your welcome to your opinion, but janemba and minato are completely different, janemba is existing in all those places at once, the energy is him, not just bodies he makes, and the energy utilizes his hax on anything inside it instantly. Minato can just teleport to places, he isn't everywhere at once.Shanks of the red haired pirates said:
So is Janemba he's only wherever his energy is in which he needs to spread and it's not even Janemba himself but his lingering energy ...
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Incorrect actually. Unlike in the movie, his energy is sentient, it is him. He is the energy. His bodies are simple manifestations that the energy creates. It acts as a single being across all those timelines, instantly able to use hax or manifest bodies of himself or others anywhere he is. And it just keeps spreading to increase the range of the nigh-omnipresence.Shanks of the red haired pirates said:
Incorrect actually. His energy is sentient, it is him. He is the energy. His bodies are simple manifestations that the energy creates. It acts as a single being across all those timelines, instantly able to use hax or manifest bodies of himself or others anywhere he is. And it just keeps spreading to increase the range of the nigh-omnipresence.
His energy = him Goku"s Ki must be equivalent to himself also you learn things everyday....
Point is that's not appearing anywhere by will period.The energy he spread manifests yes that's pretty much it.
And btw none of that actually proved he was anywhere near Arceus in movement speed in which case Arceus stopped time and roflstomped him or just warp him from the get go at immeasurable speeds
His energy = him Goku"s Ki must be equivalent to himself also you learn things everyday....
Point is that's not appearing anywhere by will period.The energy he spread manifests yes that's pretty much it.
And btw none of that actually proved he was anywhere near Arceus in movement speed in which case Arceus stopped time and roflstomped him or just warp him from the get go at immeasurable speeds
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He is anywhere the energy is all the time, he is already there, not appearing there, and the energy started across the whole of hell instantly upon gaining sentience, and by his peak it was all across multiple timelines, so he is indeed nigh omnipresent across multi universal range and scale by his peak, which is what we use. As he can instantly use hax anywhere his energy is they do apply to combat speed, only his physical bodies strikes and such do not.
As for Arceus, I remain unconvinced that either has an advantage in speed, both are 4D beings that can act instantly on the 3D plain, so I simply think Janemba wins via stronger hax pool and being resistant to the warping arceus has. All he has to do is manifest another arceus to kill each other, absorb him, posses him that kinda stuff.
As for Arceus, I remain unconvinced that either has an advantage in speed, both are 4D beings that can act instantly on the 3D plain, so I simply think Janemba wins via stronger hax pool and being resistant to the warping arceus has. All he has to do is manifest another arceus to kill each other, absorb him, posses him that kinda stuff.
He is anywhere the energy he spread is we all know that but that's not him to begin with those are just manifestations of the energy.....that's the cold hard truth here...
As for Arceus blitzing him it's pretty much factual being in multiple timelines does not change your movement speed Arceus is beyond time and space and created them in a void of nothingness.By profiles he can blitz and stomp him from the beginning or stop time and do so with less effort ...he easily wins but sure.
As for Arceus blitzing him it's pretty much factual being in multiple timelines does not change your movement speed Arceus is beyond time and space and created them in a void of nothingness.By profiles he can blitz and stomp him from the beginning or stop time and do so with less effort ...he easily wins but sure.
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Your incorrect, the energy is him, he is the evil energy, not jus the bodies he manifests, those are controlled by the evil energy which is his true form. It is sentient, it is not a lingering attack or anything like that, the energy is his consciousness, and it is everywhere across multiple timelines/universes.Shanks of the red haired pirates said:
As fro Arceus being faster, I don't know, they are both 4D and can instantly do things in the 3D realm, so I can't give an edge to either.
"Evil Energy Manipulation ― Janemba is evil energy taken physical form, and thus has absolute control over evil energy. When evil energy is in an area, it dulls ki sensing abilities, and makes Janemba's ki appear as if he is everywhere"
Arceus is undoubtedly faster btw
Arceus is undoubtedly faster btw
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I have no idea where you got that quote from. It doesn't change anything regardless. Janemba is still all the evil energy and is sentient as it everywhere at once, and does his hax as said energy without a body as well as feats to prove it such as warping the timelines, taking over Gohan's mind, plucking hm from his dream and timeline to bring him to the current one, absorbing buu, all that is done as non corporeal form without the need of a body. So no, the body is just a physical manifestation he makes, his true form is all the evil energy.Shanks of the red haired pirates said:
As far as Arceus and janemba are concerned, I think janemba's hax will win for him, he can make his own Arceus after all if he wanted and I doubt Arceus could even warp him away since Gotenks warped Cell out of the timeline completely by warping multiple dimensions and can't scratch Janemba, also he ahs his own time space and reality warping skills on multi universal levels.
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Well, the difference between Arceus and the Creation Trio is that the Creation Trio were stated to embody their respective dimensions and Arceus was stated to transcend them (exists in a higher plane of existence, predates them).LordAizenSama said:
Arceus has also created time and the Temporal Dimension, giving him two temporal dimensions which is the textbook definition of immeasurable speed.
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