Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Revisions: Part 2

[Antvasima]

I suppose that most of this seems fine.

I am very uncertain about infinite speed though, and being 10000x stronger than Low 2-C does not automatically translate into 2-B, as the 5-D distance between universes is not quantifiable.

 

[Lancer45Man]

@Ant from what I know, the God tier of the verse created many Parallel Universes and his power governs them and Rimuru is more powerful than him

 

[Antvasima]

Aha. Did he create all of them at once, or one at a time?

 

[Lancer45Man]

Given the Context of how he created the Parallel Universes that existed simultaneously with minor changes in each of them and all being governed by Veldanava and his power, it's safe to say he created them all at once.

 

[OpMasada]

Aha. Did he create all of them at once, or one at a time?

The story doesn't really provide much context other than the fact he created several different worlds after realizing the humans in the first world he created would eventually destroy themselves. Below is the passage regarding veldanava's creation.

"He had created several different worlds, and yet all of them showed the same tendencies in the end.

The reason for this was emotion.

It was something that he had given as a means to stimulate people and to help them grow even more, but emotions that became too extreme had a tendency of wanting to eradicate the opinions of others.

Different kinds of justice were born through different ways of thinking.

That is what Veldanava thought.

He decided that this phenomenon was a necessary evil, and so he accepted the way the world was as a testing ground for the soul.

The warring would likely stop if humans were monitored completely.

However, their emotions would no longer be stimulated, and the world would turn into a dystopia that might be equal, but lacked free will.

And that was not the kind of world that Veldanava wanted.

He experimented several times after that, trying to push humans into growing in the way that he wanted.

Several parallel worlds existed with small details changed in each, allowing them to evolve in different ways.

Within this system, the humans with especially matured souls were selected to govern the souls with shorter life-spans. And so angels and demons were born.

The system had been constructed so that the souls of all the dimensions would circulate."

 

[Lancer45Man]

The last line indicates 2-C level stuff

 

[Antvasima]

So, would "At least Low 2-C, likely 2-C" be appropriate for Veldanava, and "At least Low 2-C, likely 2-B" be appropriate for Rimuru?

 

[Lancer45Man]

I think the feat is pretty direct after rereading it again.

Veldanava seems to have lost 'Turn Null' when creating the world, but you still have 'Imaginary Space', so there should not be a problem.

The system had been constructed so that the souls of all the dimensions would circulate

He does create it all in one go along with the system that governs them all but lost the Turn Null creation power in the process. So "Likely 2-C" is fine for Veldanava and "Likely 2-B" for Rimuru IMHO.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems fine then.

 

[Lucis=the=Lumenian]

@OpMasada so human souls are base of all races? would we need to tack 'human' category is all Slime pages?

it seems concept of 'soul' is very important here. matured human souls can become conceptual beings like 'angels' and 'demons'.

cycle of reincarnation seems to be multiversal. wait, does that mean all human souls from Slime Real Life (SliFe?) are dumped together with souls from SlimeVerse?

welp, no wonder otherworders can become Heroes.

So, would "At least Low 2-C, likely 2-C" be appropriate for Veldanava, and "At least Low 2-C, likely 2-B" be appropriate for Rimuru?

I think so.

Yuuki's stuffs are more nebulous but I think upgrade to 4-A is safe enough to be done.

 

[OpMasada]

Not really human souls, just souls in general. humans were born after many years as receptacles of the soul.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

So likely 2-C veldanava, and likely 2-B rimuru?

What about the infinite speed?

 

[Shegzy85]

Why did Yuuki refer to Rimiru as a "Transcedent God" when rimuru came back from being sent to the ends of space-time?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Cause he is? Rimuru isn't the same as before he got bfr'ed, his body has changed, and he is a whole lot more powerful with power greater than god.

 

[Antvasima]

What is the argument for infinite speed?

You can use our Timeless Voids Standards page for reference if you wish.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Rimuru was sent to the end of space-time, but the universe hadn't ended yet, rimuru was asleep for a long period of time, so ciel who is apart of his soul and can take over his body, took over his body and was moving in space, and witnessed the end of the universe.

By the time rimuru wakes up, he has gained a massive power boost, and is fine in a place where time nor space didn't exist.

Ciel is pretty much the most knowledgeable character in the series, and this is a more powerful rimuru so it wouldn't be an outlier at least. But don't know if this is enough.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, infinite speed due to timeless voids is tricky to evaluate. You can read through the page that I linked to above to see if it seems to qualify.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I only considered it a possibility, i am not set on rimuru gaining infinite speed.

So what we know:

-Stated by the most knowledable characters in the series that no time or space existed there.

-On the other hand, Rimuru wasn't described as being beyond time or anything like that, and he in fact needed a skill to time travel to the past, he doesn't do it with his own speed, though if he did that with pure speed it would be immeasurable not infinite. So doesn't really discount anything, just that rimuru doesn't have imeassurable speed.

So basically what we have are statements of time not being there, such as time flow of time being suspended and time being stopped from extremely knowleable characters, think this might be enough for infinite or at least a possibly rating.

As for his ap, as already said above, veldanava created several parallel worlds and the system which manages them all, and then lost his turn null energy, think this is straight up 2-C.

But after thinking about it, as for rimuru ap, maybe a 2-C rating is better? It wasn't stated he could destroy or create tens of thousands of worlds, just that his energy can rebuild worlds tens of thousands of times over.

It was emphasized veldanava lost his turn null which is what can create or destroy words, after he created the world and the system, while that isn't a problem for rimuru cause he has enough energy to do that tens of thousands of times. So it's more that rimuru can do what veldanava did a lot more times instead of just once, at least this is my interpretation of it.

And because of our standards on tier 2, even if we went with the interruption that he is just way stronger, having tens of thousands of times more energy than is needed to create several universes, he hasn't shown the range to be 2-B, so would just make him At least 2-C

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that "At least 2-C" should be fine. Maybe "Possibly infinite" for speed as well.

 

[Lancer45Man]

But his power is Qualitatively superior to Veldanava who is 2-C by virtue of creating all the Parallel worlds as well as the system that governs them all. Him being 10,000x over the system that governs said worlds is solid enough to put him at 2-B. So imo it'd be "At Least 2-C, Likely 2-B"

Also, the void seems to be a True Void from the description given by OP and since Veldanava could chill in it, Rimuru too could do the same and has done so too. So "Possibly Infinite" is cool imo.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ok, i am fine with At Least 2-C, Likely 2-B, and possibly Infinite for his speed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems to be settled then.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The other stuff like yuuki's ap can be brought up again later when we get the better translations, for now this is settled.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Will you perform the statistics changes?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yes

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Feel free to close this thread when you have finished then.