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Giorno vs part 4 villain

Are we talking about regular kira? then Kira can pretty much destroy anything Giorno creates but if golden experience hit Kira just once with the live overcharge (not sure if that's how its called) Giorno would easily win also if Kira where to use Shier Hearth Attack using vines giorno could probably stop it but if we are talking about Kira with Stray Cat unless Giorno knows in advance about it he will most likely lose.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
If Kira does the thing that is most in character for him, which is to try and blow up Giorno's creatures as soon as he spawns them, he will get destroyed. Thus, I vote GioGio
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yes if we are talking about regular Kira without doubts Giorno would win but if we talk abou Kira with Stray cat i think probably both will end up death, Kira throws a bubble at Giono he try to stop it using his creatures but the bubble go through them then explodes on Giorno he will probably try to prottect himself with plants then causing the damage to go to kira too killing both of them.
 
The only reason why the Morioh crew won against Kira is because they had prior knowledge about his Stand. Without it, literally nobody except for Jotaro and MAYBE Josuke would have a shot at beating him.

Yoshikage Kira has never had Stray Cat, so that's not a factor in this fight.

Still, I don't think there is enough scaling to say conclusively who has the stronger Stand so I will assume they're about even. The question now becomes who has the better ability? Giorno's reflection is kind of broken and he does tend to lead with it, but what a lot of people don't consider is how situational it really is. The only reason someone like Luca (the shovel guy) actually died to it was because he intentionally aimed for the frog in order to threaten and scare Giorno. If you hit literally anywhere else you bypass the reflection entirely. Giorno knows this.

Because the win condition for Kira is now to touch Giorno, and for Giorno to pray he hits an animal that he creates, I believe that Kira has the easier win condition. I vote for him for now.
 
@professorlord

I would say Giorno is actually a bit weaker, since Kira is about the same as Josuke but a bit weaker, and can tank hits from star platinum even if he got ******* rekt by them. Buccillatti got ******* destroyed by King Crimson who we can say is a bit stronger than star platinum. Sticky Fingers is stronger than Gold Experience. Basically, the should be able to engage in combat but hax aside Killer Queen would likely defeat Gold Experience if its just brute strength

and on a side note, i used to think the same thing about Giorno's attack reflection, but then i realised something in the Giorno vs Bruno fight. if Giorno makes a fly or anything like that, your first instinct is to smack it. If Giorno makes a scorpion or something, you would also probably hit it immediately when in lunges at you. If Diavolo didn't have intel, he probably would have destroyed himself when GER lauched a scorpion at him
 
Well, Looking the type of person Yoshikage Is, would he really bother with one fly? Gio would have had to create a couple and. The only reason why the fly followed Bruno was that it was made from his own Teeth. So then wouldn't Gio have tp just take on of Kiras items. Problem is, GE Power is a C, while KQ is a A. Know for Scaling. Kira stomped Echoes Act 3. Gio fought Act 3 as well, yet he won for of his tatics, and they were somewhat* Equal. Now if we take GE>/=ECHOES ACT 3. And KQ STOMPED Echoes Act 3. KQ is way beyond GE's Leauge, or at least Stronger than him. So, KQ is stroger, making there be no way for Gio to snatch a item. And As Professorlord said, Kira win Conditions are much easier. Kira has this win in the bag.
 
Also, since Kira would have to hit the animal the GIo Creates right? But Gio can't control the life he makes as I remember, pretty sure he even said that to Luca. So another problem with GIo winning via DMG reflection.
 
I'll Label the Main Arguments and Counter Arguemnts for This Fight.


People Say Damage Relfection makes Gio win, but they are Problems with this. One he can not control the movements of the life he creates, if my memory serves me correctly. Plus the only reason why the fly followed Bruno in their fight was that Gio turned Brunos tooth into a fly which is it followed him. So, Since it has been Established KQ is Stronger, He would have trouble getting on of Kira's items. SO he would have to use a Item Kira didn't own, meaning it wouldn't follow Yoshikage. And due to the Person Kira is, he wouldn't kill the Fly. Only if there was a group of flies, Right next to him. Since he can't control the life he makes theres the chance it would just fly by Kira. Which makes Gios win Conditions harder than Kiras simple Touch, Dead.
 
The best mans said:
Well, Looking the type of person Yoshikage Is, would he really bother with one fly? Gio would have had to create a couple and. The only reason why the fly followed Bruno was that it was made from his own Teeth. So then wouldn't Gio have tp just take on of Kiras items. Problem is, GE Power is a C, while KQ is a A.
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stand stats are bullshit and mean about as much as power levels in DBZ

Iapitus The Impaler said:
@professorlord
I would say Giorno is actually a bit weaker, since Kira is about the same as Josuke but a bit weaker, and can tank hits from star platinum even if he got ******* rekt by them. Buccillatti got ******* destroyed by King Crimson who we can say is a bit stronger than star platinum. Sticky Fingers is stronger than Gold Experience. Basically, the should be able to engage in combat but hax aside Killer Queen would likely defeat Gold Experience if its just brute strength
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why would you assume King Crimson is stonger that Star Platinum?
 
Everyone forgets that GioGio can grow a tree to block attacks.
 
Well, KQ still has the power advantage. In the Giogio-Koichi Fight, both of them Held back. And Gio won due to outsmarting, not overpowering Koichi. So I say putting Their power at about the same level would be fair. I'd say GE is a bit stronger then Echoes Act 3. And, KQ Stomped Echoes Act 3. So KQ has the Power by a long shot.
 
@Chartate 101, I can see the argument being made for King Crimson being stronger than Star Platinum. He does eviscerate characters in a single punch rather than doing a barrage of punches, but people forget that it's partly due to Jotaro pulling his punches and not intentionally killing everyone. He beats the shit out of them and leaves them miserable, but he doesn't end their life.

That being said Star Platinum has eviscerated the skull, chest and shoulders of DIO, all of which took a single punch. The World did the same to Kakyoin. It's clear that they have the ability to pull a King Crimson as well, they choose not to.

I'd say Star Platinum is on par with King Crimson if not slightly stronger. Araki has said he's the strongest Stand plenty of times in interviews or in his stat pages. Josuke has said Jotaro's Stand is a lot stronger than his. I think from a narrative perspective Araki decided Star Platinum is the physically strongest a while ago.
 
Why do people think Kira is gonna blow up all the creatures? He is not the type to reveal his abilities for the fun of it. If a serpent is summoned and attacks him, he is more likely to punch it away which would reveal Giorno abilities.
 
Araki forgot a lot of things in Parte 5. Anyway, I'm leaning more to GioGio due to versatility here. However, Kira does have more experience and is a way better strategist between the two. I'll wait for more arguements before casting a vote.
 
People wank Giorno too much. On a whim, he cannot control the animals he creates unless he has adaquate prep time.

He doesn't have that here because of their starting distance away from each other. He's forced to use GE to fight KQ or else he gets touched and blown up - the end. If he creates a frog then he's wasting time and gets blown up.

Even if we were to say he can create a controllable animal in 0 seconds, Killer Queen's fighting style primarily revolves around touching you, not punching. Are you really telling me he's going to touch the frog on Giorno's shoulder and then detonate? Why? Wouldn't it make sense for him to accidentally touch it, adjust his hand so it touches Giorno and THEN set a bomb?
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
At best this ends up a Bruno vs Giorno situation for Kira, with the fight just ending up who hits the other one first winning
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Yeah, me too. Kira gets one hit in, Giorno explodes. Giorno gets one hit in, Kira's conciousness goes into overdrive. Thing is, Giorno could just create animals as distraction for Kira, which is why I'm leaning on him.
 
I give this to Kira for Prof's reasons. Kira has no reason to hit a frog that's on Giorno's shoulder. While it's certainly close, Kira is more likely to go for the kill first, especially when Giorno isn't aware of the fact that Kira doesn't need to hit him; just touch him.

Kira quite often just lightly touches things to make them explode instead of punching. Be it grabbing people's heads, or igniting coins, he doesn't often kill via explosive punches.

Giorno doesn't have the control needed and Kira can just lightly touch him. I vote for Kira.
 
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