L solves the "Kira" case (L vs Yoshikaga Kira)

[Doggo]

As we all know, L tried to solve the Kira case, but how about the other Kira case?

Conditions:
-L has access to his influence over the Law Enforcement, meaning he can get the FBI and local police to help him out.
-Kira will be before he becomes Kosaku, and he will have the help of his dad. The other stand users, like Josuke and Jotaro, will still be in Morioh, but L does not know that initially
- Win conditions: L must prove for certain that Kira is responsible for the disappearances and murders of many innocent women, and Kira must either kill L or evade capture.

The "fight" starts with L noticing the unsolved disappearances of 81 missing persons in Morioh and decides to solve the case himself.

The World's Greatest Detective: @Pyro9278
The Silent Killer: @Gamecooob @Bimbitesthedust
Inconclusive:
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[Delusionaltx2]

Interesting

I hope matches like these can get added to profiles

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[Ruby_R_Dracula]

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[NikHelton]

Sounds interesting, but... Even if they catch Kira red-handed, what's to stop him from instantly killing everyone with his Stand?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Sounds interesting, but... Even if they catch Kira red-handed, what's to stop him from instantly killing everyone with his Stand?

Assuming it gets to that point L would likely know about stands and have connections to jotaro and the gang

In which case they handle him like they did in cannon

 

[Doggo]

Interesting

I hope matches like these can get added to profiles

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They can actually.

Thx

 

[Doggo]

Sounds interesting, but... Even if they catch Kira red-handed, what's to stop him from instantly killing everyone with his Stand?

I mean, even without other stand users helping, L should be able to take him out with a whole ass team of gun man snipe his 9-B body.

I might need to remove the other stand users if they are too unfair

 

[Delusionaltx2]

They can actually.

Thx

Really??? Nice

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I mean, even without other stand users helping, L should be able to take him out with a whole ass team of gun man snipe his 9-B body.

Ftl stando with automatic reactions:

I might need to remove the other stand users if they are too unfair

No don't, otherwise L has no way of confronting him

 

[Doggo]

Ftl stando with automatic reactions:

No don't otherwise L has no way of confronting him

I doubt Kira could fight against hordes of police constantly gunning for him. I thought only Star Platinum had the automatic reactions? Correct me if I'm wrong, but a sniper should take Kira out.

You make a good point about the stand users, but given that L was able to narrow down DN Kira's killings to Light, I bet he could do something similar to JOJO Kira here. Remember, L had to figure out that the perpetrator of the mysterious heart attacks lived in Kanto, Japan, and that they were connected to the police and also a student. L could probably do something like having agents follow young girls around Morioh and catch Kira doing the act, as seen in the anime; L often uses traps like this to catch the killer. L could even have female agents to bait Kira into following them, or give girls in Morioh strict curfews to make the killer desperate to quench his urges, making him prone to making mistakes.

Granted, capturing Kira would be VERY difficult unless L uses the other stand users.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I doubt Kira could fight against hordes of police constantly gunning for him.

yeah ik but KQ would see them as statues due to the sheer difference between FTL and supersonic

I thought only Star Platinum had the automatic reactions? Correct me if I'm wrong, but a sniper should take Kira out.

No Jolyne has it, Josuke has it, heck I think even dio had it

You make a good point about the stand users, but given that L was able to narrow down DN Kira's killings to Light, I bet he could do something similar to JOJO Kira here. Remember, L had to figure out that the perpetrator of the mysterious heart attacks lived in Kanto, Japan, and that they were connected to the police and also a student. L could probably do something like having agents follow young girls around Morioh and catch Kira doing the act, as seen in the anime; L often uses traps like this to catch the killer. L could even have female agents to bait Kira into following them, or give girls in Morioh strict curfews to make the killer desperate to quench his urges, making him prone to making mistakes.

Yeah i agree with this its just that the main problem if we go this route is actually catching him

like in this scenerio L has the evidence, everyone is in unison, it's pretty blatant right? How do they catch him though? If they send like 17 armoured men or something then wouldn't KQ just handle them?

then afterwards kira changes his identity and the cycle goes nowhere thats why I think allowing him access to help from the morioh gang would be better

Granted, capturing Kira would be VERY difficult unless L uses the other stand users.

Yeah my main concern

 

[Mommyleona]

does Kira have BTD?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

does Kira have BTD?

@Doggo please restrict this

L straight up can't win with this

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Actually hang on it might still be possible for L to win even with BTD

 

[Doggo]

Actually hang on it might still be possible for L to win even with BTD

BTD activates when someone tries to catch Kira. You're right, L is cooked if we allow Kira to have that, I'm going to use his other key now lol. I will also remove the other stand users since I feel like that will be too unfair for Kira


As for capturing him without the other stand users, Kira only has ftl reactions not perceptions. He can react things at ftl speeds but that doenst mean he actually sees things in slow motion. I feel like tear gases, bombs (ironic), and snipers will do Kira in.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

BTD activates when someone tries to catch Kira. You're right, L is cooked if we allow Kira to have that, I'm going to use his other key now lol. I will also remove the other stand users since I feel like that will be too unfair for Kira

Yeah I figured as much

As for capturing him without the other stand users, Kira only has ftl reactions not perceptions. He can react things at ftl speeds but that doenst mean he actually sees things in slow motion. I feel like tear gases, bombs (ironic), and snipers will do Kira in.

Yeah but KQ (the thing that's reacting to the bullets) has those perceptions though

I do think well crafted tear gases and poisons could work I just dont think an approach as direct as guns would work

 

[CBslayeR]

What are the odds the arrow just gravitates towards L since we gave Kira his dad, that would just make Kira or other stand users get attracted to L which would help narrow Kira's identity down super easily; esp with Rohan being a good detective himself

 

[CBslayeR]

I think this mu is basically on a timer, L has to find Kira before he ends up getting bites the dust from Hayato stalking Kira too much (I'm under the assumption that after this point the Morioh Gang never acts on Hayato stalking Kosaku, since once they do Kira just dies naturally lol)


L has plenty of evidence to deduce who Yoshikage Kira is and was due to the Reimi case, but not who's body he snatched or anything; as far as he knows he disappeared of the face of the earth randomly. He'll also be able to deduce the pattern of his killings from his finger nails in his home like the Morioh Gang did with his nail clippings.

Once he narrows that down he has to be on the lookout for the pattern since he'd be under the same understanding Jotaro was under, Kira won't be able to hold himself back for long; and if during this timeframe he happens to get pierced by the arrow (which Kira's dad can reasonably end up doing, this can lead to him finding Kosaku or the Morioh Gang faster due to stand users attracting each other), or finding the Morioh Gang he pretty much solves the case then and there; he won't be able to prosecute him for the 88 missing people and The Morioh Gang is just gonna kill Kira but he'll have solved it technically.

If L is missing the Morioh Gang though, he can deduce that Kosaku is the killer but he'll be missing the "how" since he won't know what a stand is or be able to understand the supernatural nature of it; he'd be missing a core piece and good luck sending Kira to jail with his 8-C and FTL stand. His best case at that point would be to hope the news says "MAN KEEPS BLOWING UP THE POLICE" and have a stand user arrive.

I don't think L in the best scenario can prosecute Kira due to him being an 8-C FTL brick and the Morioh Gang will just kill Kira if he tells them who he is, but he can definitely "solve" the case if things go right; the cards are there if he does it before Hayato get murked (which idr how many days it took Kira before he did that)



Not voting until I get a timeframe of the start of Kira becoming Kosaku to killing Hayato in the bathtub.

 

[Doggo]

I think this mu is basically on a timer, L has to find Kira before he ends up getting bites the dust from Hayato stalking Kira too much (I'm under the assumption that after this point the Morioh Gang never acts on Hayato stalking Kosaku, since once they do Kira just dies naturally lol)


L has plenty of evidence to deduce who Yoshikage Kira is and was due to the Reimi case, but not who's body he snatched or anything; as far as he knows he disappeared of the face of the earth randomly. He'll also be able to deduce the pattern of his killings from his finger nails in his home like the Morioh Gang did with his nail clippings.

Once he narrows that down he has to be on the lookout for the pattern since he'd be under the same understanding Jotaro was under, Kira won't be able to hold himself back for long; and if during this timeframe he happens to get pierced by the arrow (which Kira's dad can reasonably end up doing, this can lead to him finding Kosaku or the Morioh Gang faster due to stand users attracting each other), or finding the Morioh Gang he pretty much solves the case then and there; he won't be able to prosecute him for the 88 missing people and The Morioh Gang is just gonna kill Kira but he'll have solved it technically.

If L is missing the Morioh Gang though, he can deduce that Kosaku is the killer but he'll be missing the "how" since he won't know what a stand is or be able to understand the supernatural nature of it; he'd be missing a core piece and good luck sending Kira to jail with his 8-C and FTL stand. His best case at that point would be to hope the news says "MAN KEEPS BLOWING UP THE POLICE" and have a stand user arrive.

I don't think L in the best scenario can prosecute Kira due to him being an 8-C FTL brick and the Morioh Gang will just kill Kira if he tells them who he is, but he can definitely "solve" the case if things go right; the cards are there if he does it before Hayato get murked (which idr how many days it took Kira before he did that)



Not voting until I get a timeframe of the start of Kira becoming Kosaku to killing Hayato in the bathtub.

Let's say at the start of him becoming Kowasu. I forgot how many days it took him to kill Hayato, tho

 

[SlendVeny]

Lowkey L might just get a Stand and beat him up.

 

[Pyro9278]

If he already knows how a Stand works, L would surely try to be more indirect and discreet to capture Kira, because let's be clear that if the information about a murderous sociopath with mystical powers were to go viral it would be complete chaos, so bringing an army of police is not ideal.

 

[SlendVeny]

Wait, could L use the Chris Hansen method?

 

[Doggo]

Wait, could L use the Chris Hansen method?

I kinda already said something similar with the whole bait thing lol. Aside from having agents follow girls, L could also plant female agents to catfish Kira. L could also issue curfews for girls to make Kira desperate to kill, which will make him more prone to mistakes, like when he killed those couple as Kosaku because he can't control his urges. It's very in-character for L to do this; his main "fighting style" is slowly gaining info about the opponent and setting traps to make them prove they are the killer. He did this with the "Lind L.. Taylor" broadcast, planting cameras in Light's room, as well as revealing his face to spook Light and the fake extra letter in the cafe scene.

If he already knows how a Stand works, L would surely try to be more indirect and discreet to capture Kira, because let's be clear that if the information about a murderous sociopath with mystical powers were to go viral it would be complete chaos, so bringing an army of police is not ideal

L won't know about them at first unless he discovers the stand users and makes contact with them. I'm really unsure if L could find them unless he gets lucky. But like with DN Kira, he will easily make a profile of the killer and know that he primarily targets women, which will allow him to make traps like I said above.

L's only issue here is BTD and actually capturing Kira without the other stand users. I feel like he will just resort to getting Kira killed if detaining an 8-C with FTL speed is impossible. However, I doubt L will let the police directly encounter Kira outside of capturing him, thus preventing Kira from planting BTD on them. As for the capture, it will likely involve stealth tactics (lacing his favorite bread with something to make him sleep, using a sniper while he is walking, or firing tear gas and surrounding him with gunmen).

While it will be a tough case, I think L is smart enough to solve the murders and expose the killer.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

As we all know, L tried to solve the Kira case, but how about the other Kira case?

Conditions:
-L has access to his influence over the Law Enforcement, meaning he can get the FBI and local police to help him out.
-Kira will be after he becomes Kosaku, and he will have the help of his dad. The other stand users, like Josuke and Jotaro, will still be in Morioh, but L does not know that initially
- Win conditions: L must prove for certain that Kira is responsible for the disappearances and murders of many innocent women, and Kira must either evade capture completely or kill L.

The "fight" starts with L noticing the unsolved disappearances of 81 missing persons in Morioh and decides to solve the case himself.

The World's Greatest Detective:
The Silent Killer:
Inconclusive:
​

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[Doggo]

following cause I like watching this handy topic

Personally, I'm more into fe-

Anyway thx!

If he already knows how a Stand works, L would surely try to be more indirect and discreet to capture Kira, because let's be clear that if the information about a murderous sociopath with mystical powers were to go viral it would be complete chaos, so bringing an army of police is not ideal.

Wait, could L use the Chris Hansen method?

What are the odds the arrow just gravitates towards L since we gave Kira his dad, that would just make Kira or other stand users get attracted to L which would help narrow Kira's identity down super easily; esp with Rohan being a good detective himself

Actually hang on it might still be possible for L to win even with BTD

does Kira have BTD?

What are you're guys' thoughts? My last comment is me showing how L could get around BTD but do you have counterarguments or are you voting?

 

[Pyro9278]

What are you're guys' thoughts? My last comment is me showing how L could get around BTD but do you have counterarguments or are you voting?

I feel like L could run into a Stand user and find out about them more quickly than it seems. A Stand user by fate attracts other users, will eventually discover other anomalies and may find out. Which leaves more room for other scenarios, like more ways to stop Kira. So... Yeah, L FRA

 

[CBslayeR]

Kira's dad can unironically **** Kira over here if the arrow just decides to latch onto L, which it can reasonably do due since L would definitely more than qualify for a stand; that'd basically lead him right to other Stand Users or Kira himself


Again, still need a timeframe on Kira killing Hayato in the bathtub

 

[Doggo]

Kira's dad can unironically **** Kira over here if the arrow just decides to latch onto L, which it can reasonably do due since L would definitely more than qualify for a stand; that'd basically lead him right to other Stand Users or Kira himself


Again, still need a timeframe on Kira killing Hayato in the bathtub

This key of Kira already has BTD. Not that it matters since contacting Hayato is not L's only option, and trying to use BTD on L's agents won't work if L sneakily targets Kira like I showed above (He was only direct against Light because he found him a rival to his "justice" due to him targetting criminals, in this scenario, Kira is just a serial killer)

Should I remove Kira's dad? I only included him since he is Kira's 'ally".

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Personally, I'm more into fe-

Anyway thx!







What are you're guys' thoughts? My last comment is me showing how L could get around BTD but do you have counterarguments or are you voting?

Basically my thought process was that since hayato could still technically inform josuke, someone as smart as L should be able to figure out a way around it
that said maybe i'm reaching

 

[Doggo]

Basically my thought process was that since hayato could still technically inform josuke, someone as smart as L should be able to figure out a way around it
that said maybe i'm reaching

So are you voting?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

So are you voting?

honestly idk

i'd say i'm netural, I wanna see other peoples arguments

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Kira's dad can unironically **** Kira over here if the arrow just decides to latch onto L, which it can reasonably do due since L would definitely more than qualify for a stand; that'd basically lead him right to other Stand Users or Kira himself


Again, still need a timeframe on Kira killing Hayato in the bathtub

While yes that could happen

that also would mean that L would have to deal with other stand users in a confrontation which depending on what the stand is, might not be as good of a sign

its a double edged sword imo

 

[CBslayeR]

While yes that could happen

that also would mean that L would have to deal with other stand users in a confrontation which depending on what the stand is, might not be as good of a sign

its a double edged sword imo

SI can help mitigate that if its a stand user that won't be reasonable with him, I think he'd benefit from it more often than not

 

[Doggo]

SI can help mitigate that if its a stand user that won't be reasonable with him, I think he'd benefit from it more often than not

L talking down a stand user seems accurate lol.

 

[Doggo]

bump

 

[Doggo]

@NikHelton who are u voting lol

 

[NikHelton]

@NikHelton who are u voting lol

Honestly, I don't understand how you think L can avoid BTD?

What's stopping Kira from luring L and his team into his house, where he'll pre-charge the door handle with explosive energy?

What's stopping Kira from booby-trapping the evidence and waiting for L to touch it?

 

[AmonInChains]

why he has BTD and we say that L has a chance against it

 

[Doggo]

Honestly, I don't understand how you think L can avoid BTD?

What's stopping Kira from luring L and his team into his house, where he'll pre-charge the door handle with explosive energy?

What's stopping Kira from booby-trapping the evidence and waiting for L to touch it?

L won't directly. He only did that to Light because Light deliberately broke the NPA's and FBI's support for L.

Kira won't ever think of that, and he likely won't notice a bunch of agents trained at their jobs tailing him.

why he has BTD and we say that L has a chance against it

Alr I will I use pre-Kosaku Kira

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

L won't directly. He only did that to Light because Light deliberately broke the NPA's and FBI's support for L.

Kira won't ever think of that, and he likely won't notice a bunch of agents trained at their jobs tailing him.



Alr I will I use pre-Kosaku Kira

Worst case scenario

Kira might throw SHA at L which even if he has a stand, there wouldnt be much on that moment where Light would figure out the fire weakness unless theres someone with him whos freaking out