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Pegasus Seiya vs Demigra

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This is a fight that I thought would be good given that Demigra actually has some hax. At their strongest, who wins? Round 1: Speed Equalized Round 2: Speed Unequalized

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Seiya with his God Cloth.
 
Seiya still has a massive speed advantage, so he one-shots Demigra by the looks of the profiles.
 
Wait till universe 6 arc ends so we can have more to work with in terms of the power of god level fighters. If we give him the speed seen in the vados and champa feat in the manga Demigra actually blitzes, but we haven't seen it in the anime yet. If that feat is gonna happen it will happen during this arc, likely soon.

As for who wins equalized I say Demigra since he has better hax. He could absorb him in an instant like Toki Toki theoretically, I don't think Seiya has a defense against that, not sure if Seiya can get around even the basic mind control, as guys like Broly, Buu and Vegeta who resisted mind control in the past could not, and also Demigra could always pull a bfr and teleport Seiya to a different timeline or during the big bang and kill him that way. In fact Demigra does not even have to engage him, he can do his magic from other dimensions and manifest a avatar like he did from the crack of time vs Beerus.
 
As for the speed equalized round he still bypasses his durability and atomizes Seiya is high universal so he's hardly doing anything to him
 
Coleworld12 said:
As for the speed equalized round he still bypasses his durability and atomizes Seiya is high universal so he's hardly doing anything to him
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Seiya has no defense against being warped to another time period to my knoledge, or absorbed, or mind controlled to my knowledge. All of which are done without having to engage in close combat. In fact he can do these while safely in another dimension or timeline, so speed equalized I don't see how Seiya can win actually.
 
First of all being absorbed is not happening when Seiya is literally infinitely stronger.Secondly resisting mind control or having your senses removed are things common while having mere 7th sense let alone godly power.Thirdly Seiya returning from another dimension is nothing special bronze saints are capable of that like ikki has
 
Coleworld12 said:
First of all being absorbed is not happening when Seiya is literally infinitely stronger.Secondly resisting mind control or having your senses removed are things common while having mere 7th sense let alone godly power.Thirdly Seiya returning from another dimension is nothing special bronze saints are capable of that like ikki has
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Strength has nothing to do with it, its a hax. Also Dmeigra absorbed Toki Toki, a being that can create time and timelines, and he became a god that way, we even see other characters like Buu absorb stronger fighters than himself. So that does not make sense to say it won't work on Seiya because he's strogner.

Evidence of Seiya being immune to mind control? Even beings like Buu, Broly and Vegeta who resisted it in the past could not resist Demigra.

Dimension maybe, like Hell with specific events leading up to it, but another timeline, no he has never shown such power to escape that.

Also remember Demigra doesn't even have to be personally present, he can use his powers from other timelines and dimensions.
 
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Buu did not absorb a being literally infinitely stronger than himself so no.And false no one has resisted mind control in Db Vegeta let himself be controlled so he could fight with Goku and Buu never resisted being controlled he literally killed the babidi once he was through with him.Your taking things out of context.

3.Dimension yes bronze fodders do that another timeline that's if he actually has the time when dealing with a character who can one shot him and has the same speed as him.

So? Thanatos kills ppl with thoughts from universal ranges across dimensions and he got trashed
 
that wasn't the point, the point is absorption is a hax and is not based on power, power is irrelevant if he doesn't show that he has resistance to the hax.

Vegeta does resist it, he lets himself be controlled, but then resists babidis orders and will not obey, Buu was uncontrollable despite being evil so therefore we know babidi could not control him, as was stated to, and Broly outright breaks free of his mind control device, yet all of these guys are powerless to resist or free themselves of Demigra's mind control.

They can't escape another timeline, they never have shown the power, it is an easy bfr for him, and could kill them if he decides to send them to the big bang.

They were immune to his killing ability due to the 8 sense iirc, if they didn't have that they would be killed to most likely, they are not immune to being sent to another timeline, absorbed or controlled.

Also they still can't even reach him, as he can do all this while in another timeline or dimension.

Equalized Demigra certainly wins hands down via hax, as for not equalized if he was stupid and went up in their face with his real body he could be killed, but he's a tactician, he would not do that in a serious no PIS battle, he'd beat them with hax from another dimension, just like when he fought Beerus from another dimension so didn't care what happened to his avatar he made.
 
1.Thats some NFL even HST characters have absorption its nothing that special.Seiya also has barriers to dea with it so meh.

2.Buu was never controlled babidi just ordered him around.Vegeta told his true intentions to goku which debunks mind control resistance you keep stating.

3,4

How is he sending seiya to another timeline via wormholes,portals? Because if so thats not happening since hes got no time do so in the first place and can get one shot.

5.Lol are you implying that demigra is safely at another dimension and has knowledge on seiya while he doesnt thanatos tracks and kills ppl with thoughts again across universes + dimensions with lols.Even if he was Seiya could track him and its a wrap from there.

6.Demigra can BFR him if his moves are practical enough because if not seiya can one shot him with a fist.
 
1. No it isn't, if I said he can absorb a multiversal character or something completly in a different tier then yes, but Seiya has shown nothing to suggest he can resist absorption, and Demigra has absorbed beings like Toki Toki that can literally create timelines.

2. Incorrect, it is stated buu was uncontrollable, and if he could control buu he would have since Buu clearly had evil in him, also again, Vegeta disobeyed Babidi and ignored his mind control, he showed resistance to it, and Broly outright overpowers his mind control device, yet all these guys can't resist Demigra. Seiya has no proof of being immune to mind control, in fact multiple SS characters have been mind controlled in the past.

3. The wormholes appear right at the persons position and send them right away. Seiya won't know its coming and it is instant to teleport him to another timeline. Also Demigra outright teleports at times to without worm holes, so it should be no issue as seiya has no resistance to this kinda hax.

4. Also Seiya can't even get to him still if he's in another timeline, he wouldn't just use his real body if it was a disadvantage.

5. Demigra could indeed do that, he can be in another timeline and attack Seiya and not even have to engage in close combat like he did with Beerus and the player. Seiya can't reach him in another timeline. But even without that his hax can one shot instantly via absorption, bfr to another timeline or mind control or possession.

6. Yes, I agree, if Seiya hits his physical body as it stands he could destroy it, but Demigra could beat Seiya with his hax in one shot as well, and Seiya can't even hurt him if Demigra is smart and attacks from another timeline like he did with Beerus.

If we start with Demigra avatar being in front of Seiya and his true body in another timeline, like was the case against Beerus, Demigra will certainly win as Seiya will never reach him, but if we place Demigra's real body up front it will depend on speed, if Demigra gets a chance to use hax he wins, if he's to slow to do it Seiya could destroy his body, and that is right now up in the air as far as Demigra speed goes.

I would recommend waiting till the end of universe 6 arc to see if we can more accurately define Demigra's speed tbh. We know he can keep up with Beerus who can fly from the time nest to his castle, and back all during the Demigra battle, but that's not really a known distance, just really far, intergalactic at least, likely outside the universe for the time nest. He may or may not be faster than Seiya depending if the manga's feat winds up being accurate.
 
1.He is literally infinitely stronger than him so yes it is NFL and most tiers arent sepearated by infinity.

2.That just means his mind control does not work on anyone more powerful than him since he didnt show the feats let alone someone infinitely above him.Besides mind control that is cancelled out by physical damage (a beating) is hardly anything notable.Also does he need physical contact?

3.Its not instant if it sends it "right away".Seiya should have the speed to react and evade it.

4,5,6

.....I doubt that demigra is supposed to be at another timeline in this fight but you can ask the op if so then yeah he wins if not then no.

I dont follow DBS but seiya is many times quintillions FTL scaling from thanatos's blast so i doubt that'd matter but ok.
 
@SSJRyu 1 : no matter what happens in DBS, it wouldn't change Demigra's profile : "Demigra is only part of the Dragon Ball Xenoverse game timeline, and has no relation to canon characters in Dragon Ball Super. As such, he can neither be scaled from anybody in Super, nor anybody can be scaled from him."
 
1. Seiya is still a 3D being and has never shown resistance to such hax. There is no reason to believe he can resist it.

2. His mind control works on beings of his level, he almost took control of the player, the only ones who had resistance to it were Beerus and Goku due to having godly ki which resisted his powers, Seiya has not shown resistance to mind control and does not have god ki. There is no reason to believe it would not work on him.

3. Seiya can't react to teleporting to another timeline, Demigra as I said does not need to use wormholes, also even using them they can be used to appear right where the person is and they are instantly transported like with Bardock. During the frieza fight when he is saved from the supernova attack.

4. Glad we can agree that if Demigras main body starts at or goes to another timeline Demigra will win.

5. I know Seiya should be quadrillions of times ftl via crossing the hyper dimension, not sure of what your referring to with thanatos's blast. As for the speed feat i'm referring to if would be hundreds of quadrillions at least.
 
From what i see, Seiya indeed blitz here, but you guys are forgeting that Demigra can literally teleport to different timelines and travel through time and space. He can kill Seiya before when he's weak. Unless Seiya is actually blood-lusted or blitzing here, Demigra takes this i assume
 
DeezNuts1102 said:
From what i see, Seiya indeed blitz here, but you guys are forgeting that Demigra can literally teleport to different timelines and travel through time and space. He can kill Seiya before when he's weak. Unless Seiya is actually blood-lusted or blitzing here, Demigra takes this i assume
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Agreed, non blood lusted Demigra certainly takes it. And even the blitz scenario from blood lusted I am sceptical about, given Demigra speed is mftl+, at least across universal levels scaling from Berrus and Whis feat of going from time nest back to Beerus castle and back to the time nest again during the Demigra battle, but not 100% known. If the below feat winds up being accurate for him then Demigra might be as fast or faster than Seiya tbh. http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?bt=220982
 
Nope high end or low end of the hyperdimension feat is still faster than the high end of the feat you just linked : http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=15242

And that's a bronze cloth Seiya with 8th sense lol

1.2 Assuming it would even work on a character literally infinitely above him is ridiculous NFL as far as I'm concerned.

3.Link to no wormholes or portals demigra teleporting?

4.Yeah I agree on that

5.Thanatos fired a blast that travelled the same distance as Seiya but in way less time but that's not even needed in this case.
 
Coleworld12 said:
Nope high end or low end of the hyperdimension feat is still faster than the high end of the feat you just linked : http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=15242

And that's a bronze cloth Seiya with 8th sense lol

1.2 Assuming it would even work on a character literally infinitely above him is ridiculous NFL as far as I'm concerned.

3.Link to no wormholes or portals demigra teleporting?

4.Yeah I agree on that

5.Thanatos fired a blast that travelled the same distance as Seiya but in way less time but that's not even needed in this case.
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Not by much actually, both are in the hundreds of quadrillions so they would be similar. Also I have thought of another interesting feat in Xenoverse, Whis and Beerus travel from earth outside the universe to the time nest in an instant when the kai of time returns the player to it they arrive as well around the same time, and we know they travel since they are shown to fly away after the event and kai of time is surprised to see them and didn't even want them there so she certainly did not bring them there.

Well your welcome to your opinion but you haven't provided any proof he would have resistance to the hax. Also he does not need to make contact for his hax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Jn7lxA0ImL8#t=1537 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cyXMsLzGEMI#t=458
 
oh i didn't know there is a demigra profile , cuz antvasima disagreed with the creation of demira profile

"3-A" wait didn't demigra was going to destroy the time vault ( multiple timeline )

and destroying a timeline is 2C so ...............
 
Frenchie-123 said:
oh i didn't know there is a demigra profile , cuz antvasima disagreed with the creation of demira profile
"3-A" wait didn't demigra was going to destroy the time vault ( multiple timeline )

and destroying a timeline is 2C so ...............
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It is because the mod weren't convinced ythat Demigra would do it with his powers but rather due to the after effect of destroying the Time Vault among other stuffs. Also, please avoid the subject, before the thread gets off tracks.
 
Round 1: Demigra takes this easy via hax.

Round 2: If Seiya is not willing to blitz demigra from the start or is he not being blood-lusted, I'm afraid Demigra also takes this.
 
After reading arguments and both profile, Round 1 : Demigra and Round 2 : I'm leaning toward Demigra on this one but Seiya has some chances since, IMO, his only win con is by attacking from another timeline. (I assume you are talking about Demon God demigra)

Note to the OP, is this Demon god Demigra? Because normal Demigra isn't nowhere near the level of Seiya.
 
^i don't get what you're saying, Demon god Demigra or Demigra are technically the same thing, Normal demigra? what is that supposed to mean?
 
He has two tabs on his profile : "Demigra" (I called it Normal Demigra) who is only 4-A with MFTL speed, Multi Solar-System in AP, durability and Striking Strenght and "Demon God Demigra" who is 3-A with MFTL+ speed, Universe in AP, Striking ad durability.

The A-4 version can't even scratch God Cloth Seiya and that is a mismatch.
 
you got it all wrong, back before Super hasn't been released yet and only battle of gods was the main canon material, Beerus was above solar system level and Mirage Demigra was scaled from Beerus thus making him 4-A. Now After Demigra got released from the crack of time, he's back with his true power plus absorbing Toki Toki even made him stronger.

4-A Mirage Demigra scaled from battle of gods Beerus

3-A True Demigra was based on feats and statements in the game. To clarify this: 3-A demigra is his base form, well for me i think Demigra base form should around low 2-C level but the mods didn't accept it. As for his full power(2nd transformation) is indeterminate since he didn't perform any feats in this form.
 
Ah O.K. The names should be corrected then. Anyway, I'll reformulate my question :OP, is this Mirage Demigra or True Demigra? Mirage can't even hurt Seiya so I'll assume it is True Demigra.
 
well, it's obvious that it's the true demigra. And his mirages are parts of his power so yeah it's kinda weird to distinguish into 2 different characters.
 
I'm not really familiar with DB Super or Xenoverse, but what is this speed feat everyone keeps talking about? By our current less we have Whis listed in the hundred billion c range due to crossing five galaxies in 35 minutes. Then you're telling me that he flew to the edge of the universe in seconds? That doesn't make sense.
 
1.They were literally in his vincinity and it took time so no BFR since hes got same speed as seiya.

2.Nope claiming a character can magically control a being infinitely stronger than him is ridiculous.

But you have convinced me Demigra has the higher probability of winning round 1 but he doesnt stand a chance in the second one.
 
Reppuzan said:
I'm not really familiar with DB Super or Xenoverse, but what is this speed feat everyone keeps talking about? By our current less we have Whis listed in the hundred billion c range due to crossing five galaxies in 35 minutes. Then you're telling me that he flew to the edge of the universe in seconds? That doesn't make sense.
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http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?bt=220982 This is the speed feat that is so high for the god level fighters, but were waiting for it to happen in the anime to scale for super. Note even that calc is low end since they assume that cahmpa and vados are on the edge of the universe closest to the kaioshin realm, when they could have been anywhere in the universe.

Also in Xenvoerse Beerus and Whis can travel outside the universe, outside the timeline and to the toki toki city in an instant, which is a pretty impressive speed feat as well, trans universal in scale.
 
Coleworld12 said:
1.They were literally in his vincinity and it took time so no BFR since hes got same speed as seiya.

2.Nope claiming a character can magically control a being infinitely stronger than him is ridiculous.

But you have convinced me Demigra has the higher probability of winning round 1 but he doesnt stand a chance in the second one.
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Nah, he can still bfr, it appears right on top them and teleports them away, seiya wont know its coming or what it is and can't just avoid it like a projectile or something, its teleportation, or wormholes.

No proof Seiya can resist the possession, mind control, or being absorbed.

Glad we made progress on that regard, at least you agree Demigra is capable of beating him. As for speed they are both in the hundreds of quadrillions range most likely so it won't be a blitz either way. Demigra will certainly have time to at least use his hax before Seiya closes the gap and is in close range, by that time Dmeigra will be gone and just mop up from another timeline where he can't be hit by Seiya.

Likely he wouldn't even engage him in the first place with his main body, he always tries to do his fights via avatars and long distance magic.
 
Is Xenoverse part of the main canon though? I mean, he hasn't been shown doing this in any other form of media, right? Consistency is a must to avoid outliers.
 
Reppuzan said:
Is Xenoverse part of the main canon though? I mean, he hasn't been shown doing this in any other form of media, right? Consistency is a must to avoid outliers.
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Xenoverse is a game, so it's not considered canon in this wiki. As for speed tbh its hard to say, in the super manga they have speed equaling seiya cast at least by that feat, it has yet to happen in super anime, but likely will this saga, and in xenoverse itself like I said the gods like Beerus and Whis can travel through the universe and even timelines all the way outside the universe to another dimension, toki toki city in an instant, so personally I think that speed is consistent with Xenoverse especially, and I think speed should be similar in this battle.
 
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Are you speculating that demigra starts off somewhere far away safe from harm or something?

Likewise they is no evidence to his mind control working on beings which have a gap of infinity between them....

4.Is a nope seiya is clearly faster then him even in bronze cloth 8th sense let alone whatever speed he has in God cloth 9th sense awakened.He can blitz and one shot him via atomic destruction.

As for the last part well i dont see how thats supposed to help him if hes already blitzed and stomped unless the op stated otherwise regarding the distance but even then i still dont see that happening.
 
Coleworld12 said:
1,2,3

Are you speculating that demigra starts off somewhere far away safe from harm or something?

Likewise they is no evidence to his mind control working on beings which have a gap of infinity between them....

4.Is a nope seiya is clearly faster then him even in bronze cloth 8th sense let alone whatever speed he has in God cloth 9th sense awakened.He can blitz and one shot him via atomic destruction.

As for the last part well i dont see how thats supposed to help him if hes already blitzed and stomped unless the op stated otherwise regarding the distance but even then i still dont see that happening.
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No, if that were the case we both agree dmeigra would certainly win as seiya can't reach him, but I am saying Demigra will leave the battle field in an instant with teleportation if we forced him to start there, and would take charge of the battle from another timeline with duplicates and hax, and Seiya has no way to beat that as you yourself have admitted once he leaves the timeline.

Raw power is irrelevant to the hax, Seiya is still a 3D being and nothing suggests he can resist Demigra's multitude of hax, which have worked on beings like toki toki who can create entire timelines.

Disagree, the calc only shows Seiya as hundreds of quadrillions of times ftl, and Demigra would be in that range as well due to the champa vados calc I showed, and even the feat of whis and Beerus crossing the universe and out of the timeline and all the way to the toki toki city dimension in an instant. So speed wise they should be similar.

So I don't see the blitz happening, and Demigra won't engage in hand to hand with his real body, it's not his style. Seiya is physically stronger, but speed wise they should be similar, and hax wise Dmeigra takes that category by far, and would be untouchable in another timeline.

Also worth noting is even after he has his body destroyed he can still posses others with his residual energy, like he did to the GT guys in the DLC, so even if his body were destroyed he could posses Seiya and use his hax with his mere lingering essence.
 
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