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The Lady VS The Judge

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Sounds interesting. How High is the LaP into High 2-A?

Also, nice pictures of the characters, I admit.
 
I mean, what exactly stops Satan from diminishing her power into oblivion and then just... punching her? Statistics Amplification / Reduction is really common in SMT, and this really doesn't bode well for the Lady, considering Satan's everything blasts stuff from both Existence and Nonexistence.
 
That's pretty sad, it seemed like an interesting match...

Do I put Satan against some Digimon?
 
The Lady is insanely far into High 2-A, (She is looking at a Low 1-C upgrade right now)

Also, the Lady is immune to Statistic reduction as well as reduction to any of her stats.
 
Seriously can we wait for the DnD revisions to finish before using the lady since she might become high 1-C or High 1-B but at the moment she's just a moderately but not exceptionally haxed high 2-A
 
Even if a profile is outdated, that doesn't mean that we can't use it for vs. threads.

Besides, as far as I know, she'll still probably maintain a High 2-A lowball.
 
Nah, she's comfirmed for at least the High 1-C part. We're just debating the High 1-C vs High 1-B part.
 
She isn't confirmed for High 1-C at all, just saying.

As for this... the argument seems to be Satan Stat Reduces her, which she resists to a massive degree to the point that no being in verse can do that to her. So unless there's some astounding aspect, that's wrong and the votes really shouldn't count.

Now then! Let's look at this realistically.

Both have Law Manip, are Acausal, have Causality Manip, etc etc. That's all well and good. Additionally, Satan has much better regen (High Godly to Lady's Mid Godly). Lady has no feat of negging that, which means she absolutely cannot kill Satan.

I will have to ask stuff, sorry if it seems obvious, I just don't interact with SMT at all.

1. Does Satan have a feat of negging Mid-Godly?

2. How good is his Absorption?

3. What all does he resist/how good does he resist it?

Because, generally speaking, BFR is a personal favorite of Lady's, and he doesn't have that listed. It is also an instant thing and they're just gone. Furthermore, Lady's probability manipulation means any action she takes will succeed. It has the highest possible chance of success. And then of course precognition which gives her in-depth knowledge of all events beforehand. With that precog, if she can foresee BFR will not work... what stops her from mindhaxing him?

For reference. D&D gods have complete control over entire species. These species span the infinite multiverse. And they can control them all. Generally they don't, but they can. Lady resists that level of mindhax and dishes it out.

So just saying.
 
Based on? If its the Mystara immortals again, not valid reasoning. If its Superspace, we covered this and came down to "At least High 2-A, possibly higher" since it has the potential to be higher but has no definite statements, only vague terms.
 
Just

Not gonna do this here. Back to my points, currently I vote for LoP since the votes for Satan rely on negging Lady's stats which she resists in totality.
 
1. How good is her Mid-Godly Regen? Destroying nonexistent beings is something characters far weaker than Satan can do with nothing but normal attacks, he can also completely destroy a conceptual realm of pure thought like the Expanse, so there's also that

2. He probably scales from Horkos, who casually devours Non-Corporeal Abstract Demons made of pure "Data" similar in nature to human thoughts. Trying to destroy a being such as them is even compared to trying to kill the seas by punching them

3. Powerful Demons generally resist similar abilities to their own

How good are her BFR and Precognition? Demons, especially immensely powerful ones such as Satan, exist simultaneously across all of Time and are beings who naturally exist outside of it, and are not affected by the collapse of Time itself. Satan in particular is a special case due to the fact he is the primary aspect of YHVH, who Himself embodies and transcends all of existence.

He can also continuously increase his own power, if diminishing the power of the Lady won't work.
 
When Orcus could nullify mid godly Regenerationn with a word, he couldn't kill the lady. I still think satan wins, I'd just like to point that out.
 
1. She isn't nonexistent, and... what? It's Mid-Godly. She regens from non-existence should every facet of her being be destroyed.

2. Okay. Not bad.

3. Okay. That's an issue for him since his profile only mentions planets of beings mindhaxing whereas Lady scales to multiversal mindhaxing.

Her BFR transports you into your own private little dimension of an infinite maze from which you can't escape. This includes negging Dimensional Travel out of it. You're just stuck there until she decides you shouldn't be. This BFR isn't countered by any abilities in the verse, including Time Manip if that's what you're getting at.

Her precognition is somewhat superior to the gods', who have many months of perfect knowledge of every event that affects them or that which they rule. Lady... she's a bit vague, so it could be a ridiculous amount better, but still.

And that's great, but ultimately unquantifiable and not a huge deal here.
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
When Orcus could nullify mid godly Regenerationn with a word, he couldn't kill the lady. I still think satan wins, I'd just like to point that out.
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This is true, though. Lady does resist that sort of thing.

Also, Zach, Sealing should just be added since its both really. It would also classify as Power Null since most abilities don't work once within the maze.
 
1. I already assumed this. I was just pointing out Satan can pretty easily destroy even nonexistent beings with his... everything

I was focusing more on the Precognition part when I wrote that explanation about Timeless stuff and yada yada. But eh...

Anyways, I am currently leaning towards the Lady of Pain right now.
 
1. Fair enough. But yeah, she has Mid-Godly to some degree greater than the basest god of the verse. IIRC she has a case for High-Godly also being discussed and surprisingly it isn't complete and utter wank but I assume he can neg that, too, so it shouldn't be a big deal.
 
Gonna vote? Most arguments are laid out atm.
 
I mean

Alright, fair enough I guess

Current votes:

The Lady of Pain: 3 (Mr. Bambu, Ultima Reality, Udlmaster)

Satan:

Incon:

Others have spoken here but said it wasn't a vote, and at the time thought it was a stomp. Against Lady, oddly enough.
 
In all fairness, didn't know about 1-C passives.
 
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