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Giorno vs Dialga

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Dialga by possibly having a massive speed advantage. (Lightspeed to likely FTL/Unknown vs. Omnipresent)
 
Dialga imo. If Unsealed Dialga is Omnipresent, his speed would allow him to blitz Giorno before he could even use GER. Unless GER is able to nullify omnipresence without knowing about it beforehand, Dialga speedblitzes with Omnipresence and Universal+ offense
 
GER managed to move around during erased time... It would have no problems in tagging Diaga and giving him a eternal time looped death.
 
moving in erased time and tagging someone who is omnipresent are way different things, especially because dialga can simply pull a flash and travel back in time to before GER existed and blast Giorno. This seems like a serious stomp to me
 
JiroUchiha9 said:
moving in erased time and tagging someone who is omnipresent are way different things, especially because dialga can simply pull a flash and travel back in time to before GER existed and blast Giorno. This seems like a serious stomp to me
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Cant GER just reset the actions needed to do that back to 0? He was able to nullfiy KC's ability so to nullify that flash thing wont be difficult.
 
unless GER can be summoned and his ability can be triggered faster than an omnipresent embodiment of time can attack/travel time/freeze him etc., I'm not seeing Giorno having much of a chance. I'm not sure exactly how GER works, cuz i never finished PT. 5, but if GER needs to make any form of physial contact, Dialga's time embodiment and various moves makes it, imo, far too hard for GER to make contact.

If he dosn't, omnipresence is infact much faster than the speed of thought, so Dialga would technically be able to attack Giorno while GER was in the middle of activating his ability. If dialga wasn't omnipresent and his speed was shown to be almost the same as Giorno's, than this would be another GER is too hax to make this fair kind o matchup, but as long as DIalga is Omnipresent or at least MFTL+, his speed makes him too much for GER imo
 
GER does not need to activate anything. If Dialga is its attention span then it's abilities are already activated. Also as said previously GER was able to move and talk in a state where time was non existant. Thats enough to prove it can tag beings like Dialga. I doubt Dialga would be able to move in a state of erased time like GER was able to.

Plus a single touch from GER will seal its doom and trap it in a series of never ening deaths as stated here
 
so as long as Dialga is in GER's range GER's powers are automatically activated? If that's the case than this is another 'GER too hax' stomp thread.


And again, GER moving in a place where time does not exist is nowhere near the same as GER facing an omnipresent being. nowhere near the same. And seeing as how Dialga is omnipresent in a place where time is non-existent because it IS time and decides how and if time functions and where, i'm still not seeing how GER is beating an omnipresent being, especially because omnipresence allows him to move in and out of GER's range/vision without a fraction of a fraction of second pasing by because he is omnipresent. Can't hax what isn't there to hax
 
This is a case of 'Is Dialga immune to causality?'

Has there been any moment in game where Dialga, for instance, traveled into the past and changed history, remaining unchanged in the process? If yes, then he has acausality, making him immune to GER. If no, then he doesn't have acausality, and GER simply stomps him. You have to remember that GER is a 5-D being since it can function in erased time. This means space-time has no effect on it.
 
Tivanenk said:
This is a case of 'Is Dialga immune to causality?'
Has there been any moment in game where Dialga, for instance, traveled into the past and changed history, remaining unchanged in the process? If yes, then he has acausality, making him immune to GER. If no, then he doesn't have acausality, and GER simply stomps him. You have to remember that GER is a 5-D being since it can function in erased time. This means space-time has no effect on it.
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Perfect
 
Tivanenk said:
This is a case of 'Is Dialga immune to causality?'
Has there been any moment in game where Dialga, for instance, traveled into the past and changed history, remaining unchanged in the process? If yes, then he has acausality, making him immune to GER. If no, then he doesn't have acausality, and GER simply stomps him. You have to remember that GER is a 5-D being since it can function in erased time. This means space-time has no effect on it.
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Agree.
 
Dialga has shown to be immune to the alteration of time/space because it existed before time did, and has been shown to be the only character besides other tier 2 Pokemon to have all knowledge and memeory of when time was altered and how.


So an immunity to time and space makes you immune to someone traveling back in time and attacking them before they were 5D? Literally don't know lol
 
JiroUchiha9 said:
Dialga has shown to be immune to the alteration of time/space because it existed before time did, and has been shown to be the only character besides other tier 2 Pokemon to have all knowledge and memeory of when time was altered and how.

So an immunity to time and space makes you immune to someone traveling back in time and attacking them before they were 5D? Literally don't know lol
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To your question, yes. Because being 5D means that he can encompass all of space-time and even affect the past. After all, he controls the laws of cause and effect, so time doesn't have any restriction on him.

However, if Dialga is indeed acausal, then GER has no way to affect him and thus protect Giorno, who is the stand's weak point.
 
So because Dialga isn't affected by changes in history via time traveling etc., he is immune to GER. Does this make the match a stomp or a Dialga win?
 
JiroUchiha9 said:
So because Dialga isn't affected by changes in history via time traveling etc., he is immune to GER. Does this make the match a stomp or a Dialga win?
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"Has there been any moment in game where Dialga, for instance, traveled into the past and changed history, remaining unchanged in the process?"

Answer this question. If yes then Diagla should be able to bypass GER due to acasuality.
 
Dialgas powers are useless against GER

GER is not bound by time to begin with.

GER is also acausual so time travel and other means are also not optional

As soon as dialga decides to attack he shall be negated and put in a loop no matter how you look at it.
 
no, there has not. In game, none of the 2-C legendaries actually use thier powers except or Giratina's travel to and from the distortion world. The feats and abilities for the 2-C Pokemon come from the anime/manga, where Pokemon are actually developed/elaborated on. If we're talking in game, than no Pokemon would/should have a tier because even the 10-C Magikarp can manage to beat the 2-C+ Arceus.


Not agreeing with that dawg. If Dialga is acasual too, it's technically a stalemate unless Dialga manages to hit Giorno himself
 
Giorno is participating in this fight, so he can.

But honestly, there's a difference from going back to the past and changing the future, and going back to the past to the future while fundamentally being unchanged. For instance, if you went back into the past to kill yourself, and you disappear, you're not acausal. If you don't disappear and still continue to live even though history now dictates that you're dead, then you're acausal.
 
GER can exist outside of time and space as evidenced by his fight against King Crimson. Dialga is the embodiment of time. Ok, so imagine this, time is a piece of cloth. Dialga is that cloth. You can bend the cloth in any way, signifing that Dailga can go anywhere in time. Forward, backward, whatever. Now you want to know what that makes GER? You. The person staring at the cloth. This is due to the fact that he exists outside the cloth. It may be true that Dialga can be everywhere and nowhere at once, but can he exist outside himself?

Bonus: You can ignore everything I said up there if you want, just remember that GER can set Dailga's willpower to 0.
 
Dialga doesn't have willpower. It was created before Willpower was even a concept.

Can that be considered an arguement though? As in the concept of willpower after creation.
 
I have no idea what the Pokemon verse is about at all. Therefore I should only partake in the debate if someone needs elaboration of GER or some crap like that.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
i say dialga for now.
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Is Diagla above the laws of cause and effect? Has any character in the Pokemon verse stated this?

If not GER will have no issue using its abilities against Diagla for a win.
 
From the research I have done, it does seem that Dialga is the origin of time, that is, time came from him. This is clearly seen during the fight with Palkia in the manga, where both he and Palkia were resetting time and space, respectively, to create an entirely new universe.

As for law of cause and effect, if we take into account the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games, then when Dialga was beaten at the end of the Explorer of Time, the evil Dialga disappeared. This would indicate that he falls under the law of cause and effect. However, I doubt the canonicity of those games. If we include only the main games and the manga (which is close to the main games), then I'd judge this as inconclusive.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
can't dialga blitz him via omnipresent speed though? also what is cause and effect?
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Omnipresence isn't technically speed, it's just you're present everywhere at any given time.
 
Tivanenk said:
From the research I have done, it does seem that Dialga is the origin of time, that is, time came from him. This is clearly seen during the fight with Palkia in the manga, where both he and Palkia were resetting time and space, respectively, to create an entirely new universe.
As for law of cause and effect, if we take into account the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games, then when Dialga was beaten at the end of the Explorer of Time, the evil Dialga disappeared. This would indicate that he falls under the law of cause and effect. However, I doubt the canonicity of those games. If we include only the main games and the manga (which is close to the main games), then I'd judge this as inconclusive.
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well mewtwo, deoxys and rayquaza have pokemon mystery dungeon stats. PMD could be considered one of the alternate universes arceus had dialga and palkia create.
 
Tivanenk said:
From the research I have done, it does seem that Dialga is the origin of time, that is, time came from him. This is clearly seen during the fight with Palkia in the manga, where both he and Palkia were resetting time and space, respectively, to create an entirely new universe.
As for law of cause and effect, if we take into account the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games, then when Dialga was beaten at the end of the Explorer of Time, the evil Dialga disappeared. This would indicate that he falls under the law of cause and effect. However, I doubt the canonicity of those games. If we include only the main games and the manga (which is close to the main games), then I'd judge this as inconclusive.
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Yeah. MD series is non-canon, as Dialga would be the same throughout, being time itself. Also no humans at all. Only Arceus is capable of making more than one Dialga, since he's a constant.
 
Faisal Shourov said:
Dragonmasterxyz said:
can't dialga blitz him via omnipresent speed though? also what is cause and effect?
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Omnipresence isn't technically speed, it's just you're present everywhere at any given time.
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So, you can't blitz with omnipresence? Then why TF does Janemba has all of his wins thanks to it? For the record, I'm actually asking. Not being snarky. (Also, I say Dialga for omnipresence and equal if not greater time hax.)
 
I remember that. I was astounded when I saw Flash under Goku's losses. Happy (not because I hate Goku, but because I love the Flash, especially Wally), and it wasn't unexpected, but astounded.
 
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