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Geralt vs Guts

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The Hundred-Man Slayer vs The Butcher of Blavike

Both at 9-A

Geralt has full access to all of his best equipment/spells

Speed unequalized

As for why:

  • Geralt is several times older, thus rocking far more training and experience (though Guts does have loads of both for someone who isn't even 20 yet)
  • Has more diversity with potions, bombs, Signs, etc.
  • Whike Geralt is Transonic and Guts is Hypersonic, the difference is still just narrow enough for Geralt to just barely be in the same ballpark
 
Guts is 6.5 times faster than Geralt (who is <Mach 1 scaling to Detlaff). I believe the normal multiplier for a speed stomp is 10x, so eh.

Geralt certainly beats Guts in versality. It's in-character for him to end fights with Axii before they even begin, so he has a good chance of opening with it. Guts is also two times tronger than Geralt (.04 to .02 Tons), so honestly if Geralt starting with nothing short of Heliotrope, Yrden, Axii, or Quen, Guts will make short work of him after closing distance. Given the starting distance Geralt should certainly have enough time to do at least one of these signs. If he makes Yrden/Heliotrope he can close the speed gap a little while poisoning/trapping Guts, Axii can straight up let him win the battle, and Quen can allow Geralt to passively deal damage to Guts without him even needing to attack.

However, any other scenario and Geralt is dead; Guts will go all out from the beggining and tear him apart with the speed and AP difference.

So, I'm going to give this, a very close match, to Geralt. In the situations where he opens with the signs I mentioned he can secure a win rather easily, as once the speed gap is closed Geralt's superior training and experience will do away with the strength gap, combined with greater versatility.
 
Geralt takes it if he starts with Aard+Piercing Cold,it will either stop Guts or slows him down thus creating a good chance to kill.

But in any other case Guts blitzs and destroys Geralt with his heavy hits.

Inconclusive.
 
Dzhindzholia said:
Geralt takes it if he starts with Aard+Piercing Cold,it will either stop Guts or slows him down thus creating a good chance to kill.
But in any other case Guts blitzs and destroys Geralt with his heavy hits.

Inconclusive.
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I mean, Axii, Yrden/Heliotrope, and Quen can secure Geralt a win, and given the starting distance he has more than enough time to trace out a sign with his hand.

If I'm not mistaken the blitz limit was 10x.
 
Speed advantage isn't everything. Geralt has more than enough time to use a sign before Guts closes distance and attacks him. Guts doesn't resist mind manip, Yrden and Heliotrope can slow guts down to the point where Geralt can keep up with him, and Quen can reflect damage back at Guts.
 
Guts cleaves him in half, Geralt has been hurt by a pitchfork, so he getting slumped by a dragonslayer. Geralt has been blitzed before and he ain't going to use Axii first. Also even if he does, he's not going put him down that eaisy, and when guts snaps out of It hes dead
 
Konaguna said:
Geralt has been hurt by a pitchfork, so he getting slumped by a dragonslayer. Geralt has been blitzed before and he ain't going to use Axii first. Also even if he does, he's not going put him down that eaisy, and when guts snaps out of It hes dead
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That's hilarious. Geralt fights dragons in W2, that's why he's 9-A and not 9-C. The AP advantage Guts has is only 2x, not nearly enough for him to one-shot.

6.5x speed isn't enough for a blitz, and it isn't nearly enough for Guts to close the 70 meters between them before Geralt traces a sign in the air.

It's completely IC for Geralt to use Axii to stop a fight before it happens. Axii also has a long enough duration for Geralt to kill guts, as a 2x AP advantage isn't really that much to brag about.
 
Good resistance Blunt damage isn't gonna save him against cutting or piercing damage of a heavy weapon like Dragonslayer.

Geralt won't be able to cast a sign on someone Yahtzee faster on him regardless, he got blitzed by the unseen elder who if he could, he would have likely axiied him.

With his speed advantage, Geralt isn't gonna be able to cast it on him since he'll be too fast.
 
Resisting Blunt damage doesn't help when Geralt typically uses slashing and piericing attacks and magic.

Geralt won't be able to cast a sign on someone Yahtzee faster on him regardless, he got blitzed by the unseen elder who if he could, he would have likely axiied him.

Being blitzed before doesn't mean Guts blitzes him in this case. Doesn't help that the Unseen Elder was right next to Geralt, whereas Guts is nearly an entire block away. Guts has a 6.5x speed advantage. He can move 6.5 meters for every meter Geralt moves.

They start at 70 meters. Guts moves to close distance, and Geralt can move nearly ten whole meters while Guts moves towards him. That's far more than enough to trace a sign in the air.

With his speed advantage, Geralt isn't gonna be able to cast it on him since he'll be too fast.

Nah, see above.
 
Even 2X speed difference is very big when it comes down to close combat.Guts will be able to kill Geralt before the latter even forms sings in his hands.

Axii is mostly uselesse agains Guts but I can be wrong.
 
Dzhindzholia said:
Even 2X speed difference is very big when it comes down to close combat.Guts will be able to kill Geralt before the latter even forms sings in his hands.
Axii is mostly uselesse agains Guts but I can be wrong.
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Of course. The issue is the starting distance, which gives Geralt plenty of time to form a sign with his hands to start off the match. And no, Guts wouldn't be able to kill Geralt before he forms a sign with his hands.

I'll do the math. Assume that Geralt has to move his hand in a total of 1 meter, which would be the arc of him bringing it up and moving it around. Guts has to move 70 meters to attack Geralt with his sword, which would usually be his first move. Guts would have to be moving greater than seventy times Geralt's speed to close distance and attack Geralt before he makes a sign.

Yrden and Heliotrope would slow Guts down enough for him to be manageable in close combat, alongside poisoning Guts.

Guts resists possession, however that's in his 8-B key. He gets mindhaxxed by Axii.
 
Oh, actually, Geralt has the AP advantage.

Freezing humans solid is a .05 Ton feat; Guts is .04 Tons.

Geralt also freezes a max of two people at a time while using Piercing Cold, which would have him at .1 Ton, or 2x Gut's AP.
 
Bump, this is interesting. Seems inconclusive FRA. Speed vs variety.
 
Neither of us voted incon, tho.

That said, I'm thinking incon too, I'll wait for more votes.
 
Dzhindzholia said:
Geralt takes it if he starts with Aard+Piercing Cold,it will either stop Guts or slows him down thus creating a good chance to kill.
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Might as well refute this, then.

Geralt also wins with Axii, which would stop Guts dead in his tracks without any Mind Resistances, has Heliotrope and Yrden to slow him down and poison him, and has Quen which can tank attacks two times Guts' AP and reflect half the damage it takes back at Guts.

Also, yeah Geralt has 2x Guts' AP.

Speed isn't everything, especially at such a high starting distance.

Seems pretty decisive in Geralt's favor as that's every single one of his signs other than Igni.
 
Speed difference is pretty big.

Geralt will go close combat with a sword and lose instantly.

I voted inconclusive only because there is a chance that Geralt may use a sign first.In any other way Guts blitz and destroys in close combat.
 
It's compeltely in-character for Geralt to start off a match with a sign. More so than he would blindly charge into a battle. Which he can most definitely do before Guts closes 70 meters (scroll up if you want to see the math, Geralt gets to move over 10 meters before CQC happens)

As I've said, every single sign at Geralt's disposal but Igni would let him take Guts down. 5/6 seems like good odds to me.

You're giving a speed advantage far more credit than what it's worth. Geralt only loses in one instance here.
 
I disagree.

still vote inconclusive,you haven't debunk anything I said.

I think you just don't understand the speed difference.
 
Dzhindzholia said:
I think you just don't understand the speed difference.
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Starting distance: 70 meters. Speed Difference: 6.5x

For every 1 meter Geralt moves, Guts can move 6.5.

Geralt moves his arm up in a 1 meter arc, and let's say he traces the symbol for another half meter.

Guts has only travelled 9.7 meters by the time Geralt finishes tracing the sign in the air.

Geralt can trace 7 signs before Guts gets to him.

I hope this is evidence of me understanding the speed difference.
 
Geralt for Dargoo's reasons, he has most things aside from skill (even) and speed (which is low enough to overcome).
 
Geralt should take this for the reasons already given.

On top of the fact that this particular version of Guts hasn't dealt with magic yet, and therefore has to process and adapt to all of that on top of his initial goal of closing the distance between them.
 
Geralt for Dargoo's reasons. There is enough distance between the two fighters, allowing Geralt to actually do something before getting hit, and this version of Guts never fought versatile mages like Geralt iirc.
 
Geralt - 7 (DAL, King, Bambu, Still, Karasu, Dargoo, Wright)

Guts - 1 (Kona)

Incon- 2 (Dzhin, Xmark)

Grace started two hours ago.
 
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