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7-A Base Sasuke (Kage Summit)

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This should be simple really. In the Kage Summit arc, Sasuke is stated by Karin to have a Thicker and Colder Chakra than his Csm2 state. Thick and Dense are Synonyms and in Naruto, Dense Chakra is always used in terms of strength/power and such. It's not refering to a general "feeling". Kishi separated the terms on purpose. He further demonstrates this when using Karin to make a comparison between Naruto and Sasuke's chakra. Karin states Naruto's is the opposite of Sasuke's, being "Light and Warm", which is in direct contrast with her stating Sasuke's Chakra is "Colder".

Further more, when talking about a General feeling, Kishi has Stated Sasuke's Chakra is akso more sinister than Kurama's abd such. So through portrayal and implications, Kishi has given us proof that:

  • Sinister/Colder/Light/Warm, etc, are the type of terms he uses when describing a General feeling of someones Chakra.
  • Thick/Dense has been always been used to describe someones chakra in terms of power.
I just want to drive these points home.

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This scales to V1 Cloak Ay as Sasuke could Barely inflict Damage. This is consistant with most if not all Kage's having 7-A feats.
Also, in regards to Sasuke's Keys, EMS should be separate from Kage Summit, and his Kage Summit Key shouldn't be listed as "Post Kage Summit".


That being said, Sasuke's Kage Summit Key stats should Read:

  • 7-A (Stated to have Thicker Chakra than his CSM 2 state), Same as what's already there Amateratsu and Susanoo, though For Susanoo, it should just be "Higher with Susanoo".
 
1st! yes finally after all these years!!!!

While i do agree that V1 Ay should scale but his V2 was stated to be by Karin "approaching Bijuu lvl chakra" and no they have NEVER met Kisame nor go against him to know his chakra lvl yet his Susano protect him from V2 Ay karate chop (though he still took damage)
 
BlackeJan said:
1st! yes finally after all these years!!!!
While i do agree that V1 Ay should scale but his V2 was stated to be by Karin "approaching Bijuu lvl chakra" and no they have NEVER met Kisame nor go against him to know his chakra lvl yet his Susano protect him from V2 Ay karate chop (though he still took damage)
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Chakra Level has nothing to do with his AP.

  • Chakra level: Speaks to a characters Stamina and Potential.
  • Chakra Feeling: Cold, Warm, Sinister, Blood Thirsty, etc.
  • Chakra Density: Speaks to the power of said chakra.
 
Yeah but the more chakra u have the more powerful jutsu u can do hence why Naruto can do FRS or more powerful ver. of Rasengans. it even said that the Kage Bushin was forbidden cause it was too taxing on the chakra and Naruto has a butt load. This also goes to the 3rd Raikage who had. bunch of chakra and he could go toe to toe w/ 8 tails.

Anyways i agree on 7-A Summit Sasuke
 
Sasuke being 7-A cause of his chakra being reffered to as dense is a really dumb reason especially when you couple it with Sasuke losing Orochimarus power and him having no feats or statements of getting stronger besides the supposed "denser chakra" which means nothing.

Not to mention him being 7-A would make half the characters 7-A.
 
ShrekAlmighty said:
Sasuke being 7-A cause of his chakra being reffered to as dense is a really dumb reason especially when you couple it with Sasuke losing Orochimarus power and him having no feats or statements of getting stronger besides the supposed "denser chakra" which means nothing.
Not to mention him being 7-A would make half the characters 7-A.
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It's like you didn't even read my post. And for starters, you should chill out with that "Dumb this and that" stuff, bro.

Sasuke's Chakra being stated to be denser than his CSM2 Form is equivalent to being stated as stronger. Again, you saying it means nothing is false.

The only thing that doesn't mean anything is stuff like this:

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*Orochimaru's power means nothing when Sasuke can easily increase his own.
  • Karin's statement is a statement of being stronger, so you're wrong on that also. Thicker = Denser = Tougher = Stronger. And no, that's not an overstantment or false.
  • Him being 7-A isn't an outlier either. Characters would have to scale.
Bottom line is, you find it hard to believe, but the proof is there whether you like it or not. I respect your opinion, Shrek, but your comment doesn't prove otherwise. Try again.

  • Sasuke and Ay scale to 7-A by virtue of Karin's statement.
  • This is supported by the fact all Kage have 7-A feats and Ay should scale.
  • Ay Scaling to 7-A makes sense on KCM Naruto complementing his Strength and cautioning his Punches and being able to fight 5 Susanoo, which also supports Karin's statement.
So yes, via reverse scaling (Which is possible in this case) Sasuke has 7-A feats.

And don't make false claims that Reverse Scaling isn't allowed here, that's not true.

  • No Kage has training time, and certainly they didn't train between Kage Summit and the War. There is no difference between War Arc Kages (Gaara, Mei, Oonoki, Ay, Tsunade) and Kage Summit Kages. Any claim otherwise is Baseless, false and nonsensical.
 
It's like you didn't even read my post. And for starters, you should chill out with that "Dumb this and that" stuff, bro.

I read all of it and all your basing the upgrade on is dense chakra = stronger which makes no sense as such it is dumb.

Why doesnt it make sense?

Well first of all i think we all agree that more chakra doesnt give someone more power, so why would denser chakra give more power when that is literally just an increase in the ammount of chakra.

*Orochimaru's power means nothing when Sasuke can easily increase his own.

In what time? And why do you assume that when all he does between Itachi fight and Kage summit is recover from his injuries.

Karin's statement is a statement of being stronger, so you're wrong on that also. Thicker = Denser = Tougher = Stronger. And no, that's not an overstantment or false.

Karin's statement doesnt say anything about strenght only about density which is just an increase in ammount of chakra

Him being 7-A isn't an outlier either. Characters would have to scale.

That notion makes it appear as if you think that outliers cant exist and that having most of the characters as 7-A is completely acceptable.

Bottom line is, you find it hard to believe, but the proof is there whether you like it or not. I respect your opinion, Shrek, but your comment doesn't prove otherwise. Try again.

Seems like a spite comment towards me.

Sasuke and Ay scale to 7-A by virtue of Karin's statement.

Statement that has 0 weight as such is pointless or stupid if you prefer that.

This is supported by the fact all Kage have 7-A feats and Ay should scale.

Onoki, Muu, Gengetsu, Rasa, Ay, Darui.

Ay Scaling to 7-A makes sense on KCM Naruto complementing his Strength and cautioning his Punches and being able to fight 5 Susanoo, which also supports Karin's statement.

I have explained in the blog why this is incorrect also KCM Naruto will be High 6-C so that isnt even an argument to begin with and about the 5 Susanoo yea Onoki enhanced =/= Regular Ay.

And don't make false claims that Reverse Scaling isn't allowed here, that's not true

Never said anything about reverse scaling.

No Kage has training time, and certainly they didn't train between Kage Summit and the War. There is no difference between War Arc Kages (Gaara, Mei, Oonoki, Ay, Tsunade) and Kage Summit Kages. Any claim otherwise is Baseless, false and nonsensical.

There is no difference when it comes to their power between the arcs but dont even try comparing the kage to one another as each of them has various feats on various levels to scale to.

All in all you are trying to scale Sasuke to 7-A because his chakra is denser which only increases the ammount of chakra and nothing else, eventho he has no feats or statements of getting stronger but he is confirmed to have lost a significant ammount of his power which would inturn seriously mess up the scaling
 
Well Kep still hasnt respond back....which sucks.....also plz u guys there is no need to say mean things to each other
 
@Shrek

I didn't see your post response for some reason...

  • You're under a misconception. Density =\= Increased volume.
Karin isn't talking about Chakra level like in the case of Ay. They are not the same. So in every instance of your post that relates tobsuch is false. Thicker = Denser = Stronger. The amount of Chakra Sasuke had hasn't changed. So if you want to talk about what's "Dumb or "Stupid if you'd perfer that"", its the notion you're pushing.

Seriously dude, this is Elementary Physics/Chemistry...

And as for your reply on my blog, it doesn't prove me wrong. I believe the feats and context lean more to my argument than yours in regards to KB and Ay. Ultimately, until we either get support from majority of people or mods to back our arguments for that, might as well agree to disagree.

Otherwise, your opinion here is based on a misconception and thus is INVALID. You are also being unecessarily antagonistic, even from your first post, and I am seriously trying to stay respectful out of respect for you, but don't push it...
 
Btw, this is different than what Karin said for Sasuke:

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Chakra Volume =\= Chakra Density. The differences are night and day.
 
So, upgrading people with statenent and feats of being stronger is dumb now....what's next?

What feats and statements? Name just one please.

Density =\= Increased volume.

Density = increased mass or ammount of something, since chakra doesnt inherently have weight its just an increase in ammount of chakra claiming otherwise is absolutely baseless.

Thicker = Denser = Stronger

Based on what?

Increased density only increases the ammount of something not its quality, intensity or strenght.

Seriously dude, this is Elementary Physics/Chemistry...

Indeed it is i am completely baffled how you claim me to be unknowledgeable when it comes to physics and you dont understand what higher density changes.

And as for your reply on my blog, it doesn't prove me wrong. I believe the feats and context lean more to my argument than yours in regards to KB and Ay. Ultimately, until we either get support from majority of people or mods to back our arguments for that, might as well agree to disagree.

Yes opinions of others should be what matters here as both you and i wont change our views.

Otherwise, your opinion here is based on a misconception and thus is INVALID. You are also being unecessarily antagonistic, even from your first post, and I am seriously trying to stay respectful out of respect for you, but don't push it...

So my opinion which is based on feats, statements and basic physics is a misconception yet you are claiming that he got exponentially stronger cause of higher ammount of chakra eventho we all agree that more chakra =/= more power.

I am being antagonistic yet you have called my opinion INVALID, spited me in your first comment and are borderline threatening to report me in this comment.

Also, Sasuke having trained after after the KB fight is heavily implied. I'll grab scans.

Ok id appreciate that.

Chakra Volume =\= Chakra Density. The differences are night and day.

Indeed they are completely different but both do the same thing as more volume gives more chakra just like that more density gives more chakra, once again its simple physics.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
You all should likely bot be so rude to one another. If you disagree, just say so. Saying it is dumb is asking for this to turn into a shitstorm. I suggest you all chill out.
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Right! just as @Dragon said plz calm down....we r here to discuss this is all
 
chakra does have weight btw. Kep proves it with the statements from Naruto when training with KB and the statements from TSB and the DB

Boruto also proves it when he lifts the Rasengan and says its heavy.

this is just my 2 cents tho
 
@Shrek

Holy crap... Ok, dude, just stop. Density =\= Volume. I know what you're saying, but you dont understand me. Your stance of Density = Increase Quantity of something, while true, ignores the basics of Density itself, i.e, the compactness of said quantity within a volume. Sasuke's chakra is not stated to be greater in volume, higher, etc. It is stated to be DENSER.

Like bloody ******* hell, I can have a 5 liter bottle with Water and a 5 liter bottle filled with Syrup or Honey. The only difference is the Density....not the Volume OF 5 ******* LITERS. If i throw them at you, you are going to get hit harder by the 5 liter bottle filled with Honey/Syrup due to the higher density.

There is no discussion to be had with you on this specific difference in Density/Volume unfortunately. Kishi proves this in statements and scans, differenciating Higher Levels of Chakra and Dense Chakra. Sasuke doesn't have a greater volume of Chakra, in fact, Uchiha in general aren't. They are known for their STRONG Chakra. He is not stated to have higher chakra levels like Ay. His Chakra is stated to be more Thick/Dense meaning yes, the intensity of his chakra is greater, not volume.

Let me Break this down further in hopes to clear up this confusion:

  • Say Sasuke's Chakra Capacity is 1000 liters of Water Normally
  • In Curse Mark 2, his Chakra becomes at least 1000 liters still, regardless if he gets an increase or not, but instead of Water, it's Oil.
Sasuke's Jutsu would be stronger because his chakra is Thicker/Denser in CSM 2 than normally. Why? Because Oil is Thicker than Water. Sasuke's Skill doesn't change either, so if say a baseline Chidori requires 10 liters of Sasuke's Chakra, CSM 2's Chidori is gonna be stronger because he's hitting with a denser chakra. Oil > Water.

  • Kage Summit Base Sasuke is said to have a denser Chakra than CSM 2.
Density = / = Volume. Sure, Volume is a component of Density, but not in the same regard. So if Sasuke's Chakra was Normally 1000 liters of Water, and now it's stated to be Denser than CSM 2, that means Sasuke's chakra is still 1000 liters or At Least 1000 liters, but instead of Oil, like CSM 2, it's thicker. Meaning Base Sasuke would be hitting harder.

Base Sasuke (KS) Chakra > CSM 2 Chakra (Oil) > Taka Sasuke's Chakra (Water).

In regards to "Volune" like Karin is stating for Ay when she says his Chakra is so high or "Biju Level", it's not equal to density.

  • If Base Ay's Chakra is Normally 1000 liters of Water, going v1 increases it to say 5000 liters of Water, thus the Chakra level is increased, not the Density, it is still Water, just more of it. So when she says he has Biju Levels of Chakra in v2, that meabs his Chakra Level goes from 5000 liters in v1 to say 25,000 liters in v2, but ut is still water.
Ay simply has more stamina and more potential for stronger or enhanced techniques. Let's use his speed as an example.

  • Ay is faster than his Base in v1 RC and faster than his v1 RC with his v2 RC, why is this? His body is being enhanced with more Chakra thus greater physical stats.
Chakra Density =\= Chakra Volume.
 
@TFO

plz just calm down. I honeslty think that more chakra = power by the fact that the Tailed Beast have a BUTT load of it and they r High 6-C. Same thing could be said to Kaguya since she has a BUTT load of chakra (and wanted more) and it took SOSP and RinneSharigan (they gotten more chakra so that means more power) to take her on. This could however mean that (as i said b4) that more chakra = much more powerful jutsu's (Ay chakra being to be "near Bijju lvls) and of course Naruto doing the Kage Bushin which was forbidden b/c it could take someons chakra to near zero.

As for this topic, this goes back to how KN4 TBB was said by Orochimaru "such dense chakra compacted into a small orb" or something similar to it and then he needed shields to survive the attack

HOWEVER what Karin is saying could also mean the color of his personality since characters have said (i cant remeber who) that Orochimaru chakra is foul/evil and the CM is from Orochimaru so she could mean his personality


Now again my friend....plz calm down, there is no need to get mad
 
Holy crap... Ok, dude, just stop. Density =\= Volume. I know what you're saying, but you dont understand me. Your stance of Density = Increase Quantity of something, while true, ignores the basics of Density itself, i.e, the compactness of said quantity within a volume. Sasuke's chakra is not stated to be greater in volume, higher, etc. It is stated to be DENSER.

Indeed DENSER meaning a higher ammount of it in the same volume which is just more chakra and nothing else

Like bloody ******* hell, I can have a 5 liter bottle with Water and a 5 liter bottle filled with Syrup or Honey. The only difference is the Density....not the Volume OF 5 ******* LITERS. If i throw them at you, you are going to get hit harder by the 5 liter bottle filled with Honey/Syrup due to the higher density.

No shit ive been saying that the entire time.

here is no discussion to be had with you on this specific difference in Density/Volume unfortunately. Kishi proves this in statements and scans, differenciating Higher Levels of Chakra and Dense Chakra. Sasuke doesn't have a greater volume of Chakra, in fact, Uchiha in general aren't. They are known for their STRONG Chakra. He is not stated to have higher chakra levels like Ay.

I acknowledge the difference between Density and Volume you just keep ignoring me on acknowledging it.

Kishi never said anything about denser = stronger which is the only thing you are basing this on, if he did say that i would be fine with the upgrade,

His Chakra is stated to be more Thick/Dense meaning yes, the intensity of his chakra is greater, not volume.

Higher density in same volume just gives a greater ammount of chakra and nothing else, if you can show a scan where denser chakra is reffered to as making one stronger or anything of that sort please do but as it is by physics higher density just makes Sasuke have a greater ammount of chakra.

Let me Break this down further in hopes to clear up this confusion:

  • Say Sasuke's Chakra Capacity is 1000 liters of Water Normally
  • In Curse Mark 2, his Chakra becomes at least 1000 liters still, regardless if he gets an increase or not, but instead of Water, it's Oil.
If i understood correctly, lets say Sasuke has 1000 liters of chakra capacity normally and it has a density of 1000 kg/m3 in CM2 his chakra capacity fo 1000 becomes bigger by an unknown ammount correct?

If his chakra density changed to that of salty(sea) water which is 1025 kg/m3 all that would change is the ammount of chakra he has would increase by 2.5%

Sasuke's Jutsu would be stronger because his chakra is Thicker/Denser in CSM 2 than normally. Why? Because Oil is Thicker than Water. Sasuke's Skill doesn't change either, so if say a baseline Chidori requires 10 liters of Sasuke's Chakra, CSM 2's Chidori is gonna be stronger because he's hitting with a denser chakra. Oil > Water.

No? Its the same as pumping more chakra into a jutsu its just a greater ammount of chakra and nothing else.

Oil has lower density than water reason why it floats on water.

Thats wrong as More Chakra =/= More Power

In regards to "Volune" like Karin is stating for Ay when she says his Chakra is so high or "Biju Level", it's not equal to density.

Volume and density rely on each other to do anything, having any of the 2 values be greater does the same thing increase the ammount of something

Chakra Density =\= Chakra Volume.

Yea i agree but higher density = more chakra.

Higher Volume also = more chakra.
 
@Blackejan

I'm not talking about chakra level...i literally proved the difference dude...

And I already addressed the Chakra being shades of Personality stuff. Karin States Sasuke's Chakra is Thicker than CSM 2 and Colder. The later being the shade of his personality. Not the "Thicker".

I even posted scans of this above and there are multiple instances:

  • Kurama stating Sasuke's Chakra is more Sinister than his own
  • Karin calling Sasuke's Chakra cold on multiple occasions
  • Karin comparing Sasuke's chakra to Naruto's, calling his bright and warm.
Saying something is thicker is literally not comparable to any of these instances.

The term itself is not comparable to the context of which those terms are used for.

Sasuke's chskra is colder tgan before, meaning he's more uncareing, and calous. You just ignored everything i said throughout the thread, especially the OP where this is addressed.
 
@TFO

Now now i did read it just still wanted to point it out. Though did u see what ive said about KN4 TBB? what about more chakra = more powerful jutsu's?
 
@Shrek

What you just said makes no sense whatsoever. Literally, read it again.

If Sasuke has a denser Chakra, it doesn't mean the level or capacity has changed. That is Density. A higher quantity compacted into a space. What you are saying is literally this:

  • Sasuke's chakra has increased in density, meaning he has more chakra. Nothing else, everything is the same, he just has higher potential. No different than having an increased capacity.
Lol, no bro. That is faulty, false and ignores Density. If Sasuke's Chakra is > CSM 2 in density, His Jutsu would be > CSM 2. The quantity of Chakra Kage Summit Sasuke would put out in his Jutsu would be greater than CSM 2 Sasuke by an unknown margin.

A Chidori from CSM 2 Sasuke Clashing with a Chidori from Base Sasuke (KS) would lose because Kage Summit Sasuke has a higher Density of Chakra meaning, using the Analogy above, if A Baseline Chidori uses 10 liters of Sasuke's Chakra, Kage Summit Sasuke would ein because 10 liters of chakra from him has more chakra compacted together than CSM 2 Sasuke has in 10 liters.

That is Density, not Volume.....
 
BlackeJan said:
@TFO
Now now i did read it just still wanted to point it out. Though did u see what ive said about KN4 TBB? what about more chakra = more powerful jutsu's?
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A character having more Chakra = Potential for more power jutsu.

Their Skill in Chakra Control determines if they can use more chakra to amplify their jutsu.

Pumping more Chakra into a jutsu does allow it to become stronger, depending on the jutsu, but you gotta be able to control that ammount of Chakra, otherwise, the Jutsu would fail or rage out of your control.
 
@TFO

Hence why i said more chakra = more power (that was what i meant for chaka = powerful jutsu). This would explain Ay' Lightning Release since he has so more chakra from Karin statement that he could make it much more powerful to the point that he could still damage Susanno Sasuke. Same thing to 3rd Raikage since he HEAVILY injured 8 Tails.

Actually i think there is evidence that more chakra = more power....the gates....it gives u a power bosst but in order to do that it inflates the chakra each higher gate opened hence giving the user more power (its not a jutsu)
 
@Black

I wasn't talking about Ay, lol. And we're saying the same thing in that regard, just differently as I'm only comparing Increased Chakra Capacity and increased Chakra Density. And how they are not the same.

And that's only because Kishi has Karin make statements about Both Sasuke in Density and Ay in Volume.
 
What you just said makes no sense whatsoever. Literally, read it agai

Did so and i fail to see where my logic doesnt work.

If Sasuke has a denser Chakra, it doesn't mean the level or capacity has changed. That is Density. A higher quantity compacted into a space. What you are saying is literally this:

Indeed density is the ammount of mass/matter in a unit of space example 1000kg/m3 as such by basic physics higher density gives a greater quantity/mass of chakra

  • Sasuke's chakra has increased in density, meaning he has more chakra. Nothing else, everything is the same, he just has higher potential. No different than having an increased capacity.
Yes all that increased is his density while the volume is presumably same or lower(as he lost cm2 etc), only thing that changed is the ammount of chakra he has if you fail to acknowledge that then you have no idea of how density works

Lol, no bro. That is faulty, false and ignores Density. If Sasuke's Chakra is > CSM 2 in density, His Jutsu would be > CSM 2. The quantity of Chakra Kage Summit Sasuke would put out in his Jutsu would be greater than CSM 2 Sasuke by an unknown margin.

IWhat part of my logic ignores density? i am basing my beliefs on how real life density works.

Sasukes chakra > CSM2 doesnt make him more powerful as more chakra doesnt equal more power.

Why would chidori use varying ammounts of chakra at random times, as much as my knowledge goes the regular chidori has a couple of variations but each is a separate technique that always has the same specifications unlike rasengan which can vary in size.

And even if you assume that chidori for some reason uses more chakra than before more chakra =/= more power.

A Chidori from CSM 2 Sasuke Clashing with a Chidori from Base Sasuke (KS) would lose because Kage Summit Sasuke has a higher Density of Chakra meaning, using the Analogy above, if A Baseline Chidori uses 10 liters of Sasuke's Chakra, Kage Summit Sasuke would ein because 10 liters of chakra from him has more chakra compacted together than CSM 2 Sasuke has in 10 liters.

Ah okay thats why you think he would use more chakra, let me explain why your analogy is wrong.

You are wrong because you assume that he would still use the same 10 liters of chakra eventho his density increased, what he would do is use 10000 units of chakra (Assuming he had a density of 1000 units of chakra per liter while in CM2) as its the absolute same technique without any differences from his CM2s chidori meaning it would use the same required ammount of chakra which is 10000 units not magically increase cause of his higher quantity of chakra(Which increased cause of higher density)

That is Density, not Volume....

Really dont understand what you are trying to say with this? I mean i have been using the scientific definition of density the entire time.

You are literally trying to equate Density with Capacity, which goes against Density.

Never said they are same, i explicitly stated multiple times that they are completely different.

More density in the same volume gives you higher quantity of chakra that is simple.

An example:

CM2 density = 1000/liter

KS = 2000/ liter

Volume in both cases = 1000 liters

CM2 would have 1000000 units of chakra while KS would have 2000000 units of chakra

A character having more Chakra = Potential for more power jutsu.

True but if its the literal same jutsu that obviously isnt the case.

I'm only comparing Increased Chakra Capacity and increased Chakra Density. And how they are not the same.

Indeed they are completely different however capacity/quantity/mass completely relies on density and volume.
 
@Shrek

Clearly we fundementally disagree how Density Works.

In this case, Sasuke's Chakra is stated to be denser than CMS 2. That we agree on. Where we disagree is what what means for his AP.

The reason I say you are trying to equate Density with Capacity and why that goes against Desnity is because your argument basically asserts that having denser chakra is equivalent to having a Higher Volume of chakra and that there is no difference in regards to chakra output. You are saying while Sasuke has more chakra, he's not inherently putting out more chakra than before. We accept The fact that increased Levels of chakra doesnt mean higher AP off bat and your argument follows this thinking. In doing so, you ignore the key basics of density, which is how tightly packed together something is.

Density is basically how much mass or whatever is tightly packed in an area or volume.

For Sasuke to have Denser Chakra than CSM 2 Sasuke, it means he has more chakra overall (To which you are correct and I have stated as well), but where you ignore it being "Dense" is that that Chakra is compacted into Sasuke's overall Capacity or Volume, which hasn't changed.

That is the difference you are not understanding. Your argument implies Sasuke simply has a higher Chakra Level. He doesn't. Sasuke having denser Chakra means he has more Chakra compacted together within the same volume as he had before and that Chakra overall is more than what CSM 2 has.

If KS Sasuke's chakra is 50% Denser than CSM 2 Saauke's, that means his Jutsu would be 50% Stronger because, again, using the same analogy as above, KS Sasuke would have More Chakra packed into 1 liter, by definition of density, than what CSM 2 has in 1 liter.

You cannot say his output per liter would be lesser and that he only has more chakra because that ignores density and is an example of arguing Chakra Level, not Density.
 
This goes back to my previous previous analogy using bottles. If you have a 5 liter bottle of Water and a 5 liter bottle of Syrup, the syrup is more dense than water yet both have the same volume of 5 liters.

If you tried to pour out a single liter, the liter of Syrup still has more Mass / Density. The only way to get an equal or lesser amount of mass of Syrup to Water is to restrict how much Syrup is coming out and how much you pour, so to say Sasuke simply has more chakra and not more output goes against Density as a whole. And the only way you will be right , Shrek, is if Sasuke restricts the rate of Chakra he's putting out and the Quantity.
 
More chakra doesn't necessarily mean more power and less chakra doesn't necessarily mean less power..

Hence the reason why kakashi can match sasuke chidori anyday(not EOS) and solo people five times his chakra level and BOS naruto despite having loads of chakra can't pull out a 7-A attack suddenly,not just chakra amount,skill and jutsu type also play a part in power.so saying someone is stronger just because of character "more chakra" statement without supporting with feat in a universe where chakra doesn't consistently portray power is not ideal.
 
Yep, but this is Sasuke that's being discussed? Kage Summit Sasuke doesn't have lesser chakra control or lower skill with chakra compared to Taka Sasuke.
 
C@TFO

Clearly we fundementally disagree how Density Works.

Seems that way.

In this case, Sasuke's Chakra is stated to be denser than CMS 2. That we agree on. Where we disagree is what what means for his AP.

Yes.

The reason I say you are trying to equate Density with Capacity

I am not.

I have said multiple times that they are completely different BUT mass/quantity increases with higher density, that is simply how density works.

why that goes against Desnity is because your argument basically asserts that having denser chakra is equivalent to having a Higher Volume of chakra and that there is no difference in regards to chakra output.

No i have never said that higher density gives greater volume, i have said that higher density increases the quantity of his chakra which it does as that is simply how density works.

Why would there be a different ammount of chakra output for the same technique without any alterations where the user didnt improve his chakra control.

You are saying while Sasuke has more chakra, he's not inherently putting out more chakra than before. We accept The fact that increased Levels of chakra doesnt mean higher AP off bat and your argument follows this thinking. In doing so, you ignore the key basics of density, which is how tightly packed together something is.

Yes he is not as there is no reason to assume that he is putting out varying ammounts of chakra for the same technique

What part of basics of density did i ignore can you please tell me that.

Density is basically how much mass or whatever is tightly packed in an area or volume.

Indeed i have said the same thing multiple times.

For Sasuke to have Denser Chakra than CSM 2 Sasuke, it means he has more chakra overall (To which you are correct and I have stated as well), but where you ignore it being "Dense" is that that Chakra is compacted into Sasuke's overall Capacity or Volume, which hasn't changed.

I dont ignore it? I have literally said multiple times that his volume/capacity stays the same while the overal quantity of his chakra increases, i even used this "analogy" in my example of how his chakra increases(In my previous comment)

That is the difference you are not understanding. Your argument implies Sasuke simply has a higher Chakra Level. He doesn't.

Yes he simply has more chakra as if his density increase 10 times over his overall ammount of chakra increased 10 times over, assuming his volume/capacity is same as in CM2.

Sasuke having denser Chakra means he has more Chakra compacted together within the same volume as he had before and that Chakra overall is more than what CSM 2 has.

Yes true that is absolutely how density works same volume but higher density gives him higher quantity of chakra simple.

If KS Sasuke's chakra is 50% Denser than CSM 2 Saauke's, that means his Jutsu would be 50% Stronger because, again, using the same analogy as above, KS Sasuke would have More Chakra packed into 1 liter, by definition of density, than what CSM 2 has in 1 liter.

This is where your logic is wrong and i have gone over this in my previous comment but heck il go over it again.

If his chakra is 50% denser it means his overall capacity increases by 50% his technique doesnt use a number like 10% of his maximum chakra(In which case you would be correct), instead it uses a certain ammount of his quantity, let me explain myself better with an example.

Sasuke has a capacity of 1000 liters of chakra in both forms

CM2 has a density of 1000 chakra units / liter.

KS is 50% denser as such his density is 1500 chakra units / liter.

CM2 requires 10 liters for a chidori or 10000 units of chakra.

KS still requires that 10000 units of chakra as its the absolutely same technique without any alterations and Sasuke did not increase his chakra control between the arcs

You cannot say his output per liter would be lesser and that he only has more chakra because that ignores density and is an example of arguing Chakra Level, not Density.

He doesnt use liters to make a jutsu he uses a quantity of chakra as i explained in my paragraph above.

This goes back to my previous previous analogy using bottles. If you have a 5 liter bottle of Water and a 5 liter bottle of Syrup, the syrup is more dense than water yet both have the same volume of 5 liters.

Yes you are right that is how density works.

If you tried to pour out a single liter, the liter of Syrup still has more Mass / Density.

Completely true.

The only way to get an equal or lesser amount of mass of Syrup to Water is to restrict how much Syrup is coming out and how much you pour,

Indeed correct

so to say Sasuke simply has more chakra and not more output goes against Density as a whole. And the only way you will be right , Shrek, is if Sasuke restricts the rate of Chakra he's putting out and the Quantity.

That is where you are incorrect as i explained in my paragraph above.

Your whole arguments relies on Sasuke using a percentage of his maximum chakra volume for a chidori hence you assume he always uses 10 liters instead of 10000 units of chakra, IE a set ammount of chakra.
 
Ok wait....I have more evidence that more chakra = more power cause Sasuke absorbed the other bijus chakra and his Susanoo gotten stronger then SOSP Kurama Mode Clones. Same thing w/ how Kurama absorebed earth chakra and added it to Naruto which make SOSP Kurama Mode to match SOSP Susanno. Y'all have to admit this is true
 
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