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Sans (Undertale) vs.The Judge (OFF)

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First thing on here, also why does everyone pit Batter v Sans and not Sans v Judge, it makes more sence,

i'm getting ahead of myself, i think the Judge would win, who do you think (people who know much more about this stuff than me)?
 
Weekly is right. Still, don't The Judge's attacks all involve giving the opponent aneurysms and such? I wouldn't expect that to work on a skeleton.
 
Well, at any rate they seemingly function on spiritual or psuedo/partially spiritual entities like the Batter, and for all we know they could just be energy attacks with that naming scheme, since that's a common thing in OFF. We don't really have proof either way, though.
 
This would make a good written Death Battle. Especially since both are from an RPG turn-based game. Sans special attack would work.

....

Someone write this, please.

Meanwhile, my two cents? Sans could dodge anything The Judge tries to throw on Sans.
 
Are we sure that the Judge's attacks actually give aneurysms and such? I do think it would be badass, but it could just be a random name. After all the Secretaries' competences are named after some mathematical operations, and I doubt that they attack with actual logarythms.
 
Well, the whole thing's conceptual/interpretable, but he probably has at least that power, so fairly good mental hax.. Some art I've seen also portrays The Judge as wielding some sort of energy and magic seems to be common fare in the OFF-verse so he's probably also got basic energy projection/attacks. The exact form those would take is left open for your imagination IIRC.

He's also a Lightspeed, Large Star-busting physical combatant, but I guess that's not as relevant in a matchup like this.
 
I feel like the possible outcome depends on two things we aren't sure about:

1) Can Pablo give actual aneurysms etc?

2) Is Sans just a skeleton, a human or a mix of both (like the creatures described in the true lab)

Because if the former is true and Sans isn't a 100% skeleton, then he could get affected by the Judge's competences without having the possibility to dodge them (I assume that the competences would instantly affect Sans's body from the inside), and since he has very low HP he'd die. Still it's very hard to determine an outcome in those kinds of fights. I'd say Sans, unless Pablo's competences can hurt him. In this case, I'd give it to him.

Also, @ShinyMagicalGirl, I'm going to write this on dA! (in fact I came here because I had those doubts about the competences xD)
 
ThePerpetual said:
Buffs came, The Judge is better at stuff now. As you all were, I guess?
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Neat! Sorry if I sound noobish, but is there any thread from which I can read the buff things, and/or the things that put him at this level of speed? I'm going to start the researches to write this fight on dA right now, and this would be really helpful. Also, I'd gladly appreciate if you want to help me with it or check it out when it comes out. Thanks and sorry again! =D

EDIT: Nevermind, found your blog post. It's really useful, thank you! =D
 
Gah, those upgrades on Pablo sure make a difference. But the question is, can Pablo even hurt Sans? I mean, Sans can dodge attacks even when he's asleep.

This is one of the most mind-boggling match I have ever seen here. Next to Asriel VS Madoka, at least.
 
The problem here is knowing nature of Pablo's attacks. Most of them seem to be based on mental damage rather than physical going by the names, but there's no clear indicator on if they are. If so, I don't see how Sans will be able to deal with something he can't dodge. Also taking into factor Pablo isn't exactly shown to be violent in nature, Sans won't do much damage to him unless he has accumulated enough Karma for such to happen.
 
Judge will win. He is MFTL and Sans has revalistic reactions. Not to mention, he outclasses Sans in every category. The only reason why Sans keeps on fighting combatants legues over him is due to his teleportation, and since Judge is faster so yeah.
 
I think part of the problem Sans faces is that he's basically fighting another one of himself. The Judge is the only unambiguously good character in his entire verse. Sans's powers function more or less based on how good or evil someone is, so they'll barely do much of anyhting to the Judge. On top of this, Sans is fragile enough to die in one hit to his current opponent should they land one, and The Judge has indirect energy attacks and such to catch him off-guard, so it's seeming at the moment like The Judge takes it.
 
Sans attacks still do roughly 1% total health damage to a multiversal being as base damage even if there's no KR in play. Even if he's fighting a 'completly good enemy who has never killed' he would still have the same power to kill them, he would just need to hit them a few times instead of tagging them once and having them evaporate instantly if they have even one kill under their belt.
 
The Judge wins due to having advantages of not only being somewhat resistant to soul-baised attacks,most likely immune or little to not being hurt by Karma Retribution,and having better stats
 
This is a fairly close one, however The Judge wins. he has a few advantages more clear cut stats compared to sans who has a lot of unknown with feats some what below that of the judge. and the Judge likly won't be taking any "karma retribution" damage like Chara would.
 
This is hardly a fight to really compare in my opinion. The Judge not only has the speed to blitz Sans, but he can virtually just slaughter Sans on the first attack. Even if Pablo would somehow let Sans do something, Karmic Retribution has no effect on Pablo as he's known for being a very good being (Sans can't even do any real damage in raw AP as well).
 
I says sans because Sans vs The Batter was inconclusive and then The batter has Beaten the judge so I say Sans Beats the judge. Also the judges main attacks won't work on sans since he is a skeleton
 
Well the judge's attacks won't work on sans since he is a skeleton, Sans is also slightly faster and has fought people wayy more durable than the judge. Both are equally smart and can teleport .
 
@Hyper Annon

Pablo's attacks won't work on Sans since he is a skeleton. Sans has better HAX than the Judge. Sans is also slightly faster and smarter than the judge and Sans has killed and fought beings leagues above Pablo's durability.

Sans' HAXES: Spatial Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Telekinesis, Teleportation, Bone Manipulation(Won't work on a cat since it has skin ,muscle, Organs,Nerves etc protecting it's bones), 4th wall awareness and Status effect(particularly Poison damage)

The Judge's/Pablo's HAX: Biological Manipulation(won't work on Sans since he is a skeleton), Minor Soul Manipulation(won't work on Sans since he has minor Soul Manipulation resistance), Teleportation, Status effect(particularly Poison and Blindness) (this won't work on Sans since his status effect can only activate via his aneurysm and Sclerosis and that won't work cus Sans is skeleton) and 4th wall awareness.

Sans' attacks roughly deal 1 damage to a being who has large star level+ Durability. The Judge is weaker than That level of durability. Sans has also trained with his Brother and perhaps Undyne and Asgore as well. Sans has rough and beaten flowey/Omega flowey in all of this other timelines and Flowey could never get past Sans. Pablo might have the same durability as Chara/Frisk and better durability than flowey but Not as durable as Omega flowey.

Sans is Faster ,slightly Smarter than the judge and might even be more Skiled than him and He has a far better variety of attacks and HAXES in his arsenal.

Edges,

Sans: Faster, Slightly Smarter, Better HAXES, Bigger and better variety of Abilities ,Better Soul Manipulation.

Also The Judge's Aneurysms and Sclerosis won't work on Sans since he is a skeleton and His Minor Soul Manipulation won't work on Sans since Sans has Minor Soul Manipulation resistance.

Pablo/The Judge: AP, Strength, Durability and Stamina.

Also Sans' Bone Manipulations won't work on The Judge since he is a cat.

And yes you might say BUT KR WON'T WORK ON THE JUDGE SINCE HE HAS'NT COMMITED MANY SINS. First of all we are not sure what KR means it is just assumed it can mean Karmic Retribution but in can be Ketchup Revolts if we add the "ASSUMING STUPIDITY LOGIC". 2nd The Judge has Killed the Batter many times and Assuming KR means KARMA this will hurt Pablo since KR requires you to Not Kill anyone for any reason and The Judge has also committed a few Sins that will harm him in the Long run.

Sans' AP can also be considered INFINITY/INFINITE.

Yes you might be shocked but I have and explaining for it. If you hack the game and turn your HP infinite Sans' Dunk will still instantly Kill you and Insta-Kill you. So since Judge is a Nice guy he will go for the Spare option allowing him to die a swift death(this unless both are bloodlusted)

So Sans wins via FRA

Also Sans vs The Batter was stated inconclusive in this wiki so if Batter Beat the Judge/Pablo I have no doubts Sans can beat the Judge/Pablo Too
 
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