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Beholder vs Jotaro Kujo

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Eficiente said:
So... Does the weird thing uses hax in-character?
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Due to game mechanics it randomly chooses if it uses it's hax. But in character it probably would do so if it feels like the creature is an actual threat. Despite thinking it's the most powerful being ever, Beholders are actually very paranoid.
 
From what I can see Jotaro is stronger, but he will either try to jump over Beholder's rays or defend himself against them, which will not work. Time stops is really useful but I kinda don't see him ending unharmed here, I go inconclusive.
 
I'm wondering if the Beholder's antimagic cone would just nullify timestop if the Beholder's central eye was looking directly at Jotaro, or if this would severely weaken/prevent the use of stands, altogether.

This could prove to be a huge problem, since Star Platinum's effective range is so low compared to the Beholder's antimagic, which is 150 feet. Granted, the Beholder also won't be able to use its eye beams to their full extent on anything within said cone, but if it ends up physically engaging Jotaro, he won't be strong enough to break away without Star Platinum.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
IIRC, there's also lore that says they try to end battles as quickly as possible.
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Coming from someone who said that for Mewtwo who's said to try to end battles before his opponent can think, and it's not said that he leads with hax anymore, that doesn't help.
 
The real cal howard said:
Coming from someone who said that for Mewtwo who's said to try to end battles before his opponent can think, and it's not said that he leads with hax anymore, that doesn't help.
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Beholders literally only have hax, though. They don't have arms to punch with or legs to kick with. It's not going to try and end the battle with the uppercut it can't throw.

The only time they don't use these is when an opponent is caught in their antimagic cone, which weakens their own magic, as well. Thus, the Beholder will then try to tear them apart with its mouth, but that's never what it leads with, otherwise.

They're super paranoid and scary smart, which is why they're considered such a big threat.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
I'm wondering if the Beholder's antimagic cone would just nullify timestop if the Beholder's central eye was looking directly at Jotaro, or if this would severely weaken/prevent the use of stands, altogether.
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I'm pretty much confused as to how something called antimagic would do that, and given that its profile doesn't have Statistics Reduction or power null I have no way of informing myself.
 
Eficiente said:
I'm pretty much confused as to how something called antimagic would do that, and given that its profile doesn't have Statistics Reduction or power null I have no way of informing myself.
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"Antimagic Cone: Used by its central eye, It releases a cone of anti-magic which will suppress all magic and supernatural powers including its own and can keep the effect up as long as it wants."

It's under "Notable Attacks/Techniques".
 
"And supernatural powers"
 
Arrogant Schmuck said:
But... Stands aren't magic...
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"A beholder's central eye continually produces a 150-foot cone of antimagic. This functions just like antimagic field (caster level 13th). All magical and supernatural powers and effects within the cone are suppressed - even the beholder's own eye rays."

Even in-universe, they make the distinction that it extends beyond what qualifies as normal "magic" and into "supernatural powers".
 
I like when descriptions like that go full NLF. Beholder via Antimagic Cone & any other hax.
 
Also, what makes them not magic? Is something else in verse explicitly stated to be magic with stands being different? Because even as they are, it sounds pretty magical. Magic isn't the most objective term.
 
Aren't souls an inherently magical concept?
 
Legitimately though what would differentiate ki from magic without some in verse separation?
 
No, but they are supernatural, and affected.

So basically he nullifies the stand, tears Jotaro apart, and wins. Or he insta-disintegrates, or so on and so forth.

As stated above, the Beholder is the haxiest thing in low-tier D&D, alongside the Mind Flayer and stuff. I believe it wins this.
 
I'd agree with behilder FRA as well, due to it being a broader negation of all that is supernatural, I'm just trying to figure out what we on the will define as the differences between magic and other stuff while I'm here and the topic is somewhat relevamr
 
If it affects soul based or supernaural forces than yeah jotaro would have a bad time. Is it stated to only be magical? or supernatural as well? Because if not incon seems safer because unless there is proof we wouldnt know
 
To be fair, beholder nulls it's own powers as well and would just beat jotaro to death from there. It's not really a stomp.
 
@TheArsenal

It's also supernatural. I know a lot of the destinction comes from 3.5e, which makes distinction between general magic, supernatural, and "extraordinary". Antimagic, which the Beholder generates, suppresses magic and supernatural things, but not "extraordinary" things.

Pretty sure that distinction is totally gone in 5e, though.
 
Tbf in 3rd edition DnD supernatural powers are inherently magical in nature. In fact I think in the psionic expansion it talks about how psionics are different from magic in some notable ways in regards to anti-magic spells.
 
Aren't stands literally quoted as being: "Phsyical Manifestation of a person's fighting spirit"
 
It isn't a stomp, technically Jotaro has a chance to win, but Beholder wins most of the time.
 
I'll check the psionic book right now to confirm. But from my memory I think that psionics were not affected by anti-magic spells unless the DM choose to make it that way.
 
If it helps, my table classifies all supernatural ability as nulled under Anti-Magic (psionicist, magic, divine, even stuff like supernatural physical stuff like a leprechaun's abilities or a shade's abilities, as we have both in our party)
 
https://youtu.be/QuTi6zYYuig In the clip at 3:50 Jotaro calls stands Made from a persons "psychological energy" but it could be a bad translation.
 
So i checked the book and I was remembering the variant rules and not the standard rules. As explained in the Expanded Psionic Handbook the base assumption in a DnD game is that psionics and magic are equally vulnerable to dispels.

In other words a "standard" Beholder will be able to cancel a psionic power just as well as a magic power.
 
But of course this is only for a single edition of D&D correct it's not true for all editions?
 
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