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Goku vs Saitama (Again)

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Huesito88

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Well time to do this again (hoping this is fair)

This is Goku when he fought Raditz

Speed is unequalized

Goku: 10 (Torlikoff, Theglassman12, DragonEmperor23, Maverick Zero X, Knightofannihilation666, DarkDragonMedeus, Phoenix821, Darkmon cns, Tony di bugalu, Amexim)

Saitama:

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Isn't Goku better at almost everything then? Better skills, powers, and AP seem to make this pretty decisive.
 
Goku would likely take this in the long run thanks to Higher AP, being able to use ki in numerous versatile ways, much better combat experience than Saitama, such as being able to replicate certain fighting abilities on the fly, and do it arguably better like master roshi's afterimages, using the solar flare to blind saitama, and being able to sense where Saitama is, making any tricks he might use rendered moot.
 
@Ugarik you do know that Piccolo is the one who did that feat right?? With a simple ki blast...............................while wearing weighted clothing.
 
@Ugarik That's slightly above baseline and also it was done with weighted training gear on
 
Question

Saitama blitzes people at Goku's level when serious.

What's stopping him from blitzing here?
 
@Gyro No one said that he's not going to blitz. Goku's superior skills, AP, etc. just counteracts that entirely.
 
He'd view Saitama as teleporting around him. Saitama would be able to get off consecutive serious punches without Goku even being able to dodge or block whatsoever.

His AP isn't that much better
 
Yes it is better. When he scales from a casual feat from a surpressed character that he defeated.
 
This is seriously one sided; Goku has significantly higher AP, range, flight, Ki sensing. Speed isn't really much different either, plus Goku being airborne and able to sense Saitama's Ki more than makes up that difference. Not sure if this is a stomp, but Goku still wins really easily.
 
I think it's a stomp. If a character has zero ways of winning, it's a stomp. I don't think Saitama has any way of winning here.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Yes it is better. When he scales from a casual feat from a surpressed character that he defeated.
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The difference between Goku and Piccolo is negligible. Also how in the hell was his feat casual? Is every attack that doesn't leave the user gasping, on the verge of death, casual?

'Casual' is a buzzword that people need to stop overusing.

But you want casual? Saitama fought Garou. To give some context, Garou had mastered two martial arts that took two separate skillful martial artists to master exclusively. He mastered both to the extent that he was able to perform a move that required both of these masters on his own.

Garou, who is immensely faster than Geryuganshoop's attack speed which we'll assume to be on par with Piccolo's attack speed, was getting blitzed by a casual Saitama.

Piccolo = Geryuganshoop <<< Garou < Casual Saitama << Serious Saitama.

Goku has no real shot at getting a solid hit into Saitama.
 
I also think "casual" may not apply here. If I scream while lifting a heavy weight, it is still taxing. I may not be nearly unconscious because of it, but it doesn't mean it's casual.
 
But now that I think about this, none of this matters cause of Saitama's CIS which will make him hold back against the human-like Goku. Goku should win
 
@Gyro it's casual because it was a simple ki blast that hardly required any effort to fire.

Ok, Goku has been trained in far more versatile ways of combat that Garou has ever had.

When was it ever stated that Garou was faster than geryuganshoop? He's onlt relativistic by keeping up with saitama.

The speed difference with relativistic is hardly that big of a gap.
 
All of those aforementioned feats were High 6-A as opposed to 5-B. Also, Piccolo's feat which is about 7/6x stronger than Saitama's best statement was performed when Piccolo had training gear; which suppresses roughly 20-25% of his strength. So Goku at this point would be roughly 1.5x stronger at least.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Gyro it's casual because it was a simple ki blast that hardly required any effort to fire.

Ok, Goku has been trained in far more versatile ways of combat that Garou has ever had.

When was it ever stated that Garou was faster than geryuganshoop? He's onlt relativistic by keeping up with saitama.

The speed difference with relativistic is hardly that big of a gap.
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Did... we see the same feat? He didn't just casually fire off a ki-blast; he powered up and shouted while shooting the ki blast, and was short of breath after. All clear signs of significant effort.

I'm not arguing about Garou vs Goku in terms of experience. Fact is that Garou mastered two extremely advanced martial arts and this wasn't a threat to Saitama.

Boros is immensely faster than Geryuganshoop, and Garou is at least as fast as Boros via ONE's statements. And if we're using Saitama as a benchmark, Garou was able to keep up better vs Saitama than Boros.

Hence the 'at least' on even Geryuganshoop's profile
 
"I'm not arguing about Garou vs Goku in terms of experience. Fact is that Garou mastered two extremely advanced martial arts and this wasn't a threat to Saitama."

I don't think a 6-A tier character can ever be a threat to a 5-B character without hax =P
 
Right, I'm still using OPM terminology

What I mean is that Saitama simply didn't care.
 
@Gyro

yes it was a casual blast since it barely took any time to fire and he was in weighted clothing

he only wasn't a threat cause he could not damage saitama at all.
 
@Huesito88

As the OP, can you confirm whether Saitama will start serious or not? This changes the way the match plays out significantly
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Gyro

yes it was a casual blast since it barely took any time to fire and he was in weighted clothing

he only wasn't a threat cause he could not damage saitama at all.
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We've already been over this, you're ignoring the fact that he was gasping afterwards, that it took quite a bit of time to fire compared to a casual ki blast and that Piccolo was shouting. It wasn't casual.

Please read my above comment
 
I'm pretty sure Piccolo was only gasping afterward because he was previously in a state of panic (about to be murdered by a giant monkey), not because he put effort into that random Ki blast.
 
it's not even remotely close to his strongest attack, the special beam cannon. An ability that Piccolo himself stated that he can only fire a total of 2 times before he runs out of energy.
 
Theglassman12 said:
it's not even remotely close to his strongest attack, the special beam cannon. An ability that Piccolo himself stated that he can only fire a total of 2 times before he runs out of energy.
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That's nice. Good thing that Goku isn't comparable to the special beam cannon as well.

For real though, it's clear that it is somewhat comparable for the reasons above you have yet to address
 
Maverick Zero X said:
I'm pretty sure Piccolo was only gasping afterward because he was previously in a state of panic (about to be murdered by a giant monkey), not because he put effort into that random Ki blast.
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So wouldn't it make far more sense for Piccolo to put effort into the ki blast if he was truly scared for his life? Or do dragonball characters not go all out when in life-death situations... oh.
 
Maverick Zero X said:
I'm pretty sure Piccolo was only gasping afterward because he was previously in a state of panic (about to be murdered by a giant monkey), not because he put effort into that random Ki blast.
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He did the same thing against Raditz except he used one of his signature moves
 
It's literally the most basic Ki blast he has, the same Ki blast typically just casually deflect. Piccolo didn't have enough time to charge up a Special Beam Cannon, because he figured the Great Ape would destroy the planet by then. Also, don't forget Piccolo still had the training gear.
 
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