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Leviathan vs Groudon

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Hm...

For one, they're dead equal in AP.

Groudon's fasted by quite a bit, but Leviathan has Slowga. Drought severely reduces water's effectiveness, but not Blizzaga, which is still super effective. Groudon has the experience advantage, having fought the similar Kyogre (who's based on the mythological Leviathan, no kidding) for eons. It also has the versatility advantage.
 
Leviathan is > Titan, who is pretty much Groudon in FF.

just saying.
 
Yep. I'm going to post something relatively big saying why this is either inconclusive or Groudon. Heads up.
 
Groudon uses Red Orb and stomps ovo.

But for real, Groudon probably has the skill advantage via being able to fight a legendary he's disadvantaged against for millions of years. Leviathan's water attacks aren't as good because of drought, and if he gets hit by fissure, it's all over. With moves like scary face and bulldoze lowering his speed, Groudon will quickly be able to shower him in attacks. His reduced speed allows him to spam Ancient power, which could boost all of his stats, use rest, which would let him heal up to full health while Leviathan moves slowly towards him and struggles to scratch him after all the debuffs. Beyond that, he has rock polish to increase his own speed. Thunder Wave to paralyze him, Slam him with a Solar Beam or Hammer Arm, etc. Moves like toxic also are annoying for the Leviathan since he'll be struggling to hurt Groudon with stat debuffs and chronic loss of strength.

Buut, despite all of this, a lot of the moves I mentioned take time to use/to have their full effect. If Leviathan just slams him with all of the Earth's Oceans at once then I doubt there's much Groudon can do. So it depends on what Leviathan starts off in character. Among that, he has things like Time manipulation too which will no doubt be handy, but I doubt it'll decide the match.

Basically, if Leviathan starts off with manipulating the Earth's Oceans. I'm voting for Leviathan. If he starts off with some small tier water attack or physical strike, then inconclusive, since it's anyones game from then on. Groudon could toxic and use his stat debuffs, but as long as it's still somewhat early in the fight and Leviathan has enough strength, Groudon could just get blasted with water from all sides.

That's my analysis. I'm not sure who to vote on lol.
 
"If he gets hit by fissure its all over"

Dood, Leviathan can fly.

>Reducing Leviathan's speed

Leviathan uses Slowga and Haste and says "f*ck you" to that".

>Rest to heal

Can groudon take a nap mid-fight?
 
PaChi2 said:
"If he gets hit by fissure its all over"
Dood, Leviathan can fly.

>Reducing Leviathan's speed

Leviathan uses Slowga.
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He should have flight listed on the profile then -.-

Jesus stop editing ovo.

Also, if Groudon gets the appropriate stat debuffs, he could very well heal mid-fight.
 
22Easy said:
I also forgot to mention Groudon having Thunder/Thunder Punch btw. So yeah, those are things.
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How does groudon get close enough to land a Thunder punch, tho
 
Leviathan is either flying or in the depths, tho.

Ah yes, Im counting your vote

L: 0

G: 1
 
PaChi2 said:
Leviathan is either flying or in the depths, tho.
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...I don't really understand that, forgive me. If he's in the air or underwater, wouldn't Thunder still be effective? Water conducts electricity. Going underwater doesn't change that.
 
The thunder would miss, bruh. It gets dispersed before reaching its destination, and far from full power if by chance Leviathan is close to the surface.

Also she/he has experience with Ramuh.
 
I don't think that's how lightning works. Leviathan would have to be VERRRRY deep below the surface of the ocean. Besides, you said SBA. So it's nowhere near an ocean.
 
QuagsireTheLegend said:
Question

What stops Groudon from setting up multiple stat boosts here?
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Leviathan using Slowga and buffing herself with haste.
 
Drought intensifies the sunlight but not to the degree of Desolate Land, so if it WERE set near an ocean the actual water source would not be affected, more so any water based attacks become pretty useless here

Also i dont see why Groudon doesnt just boost his stats while resisting most of Leviathan's attacks
 
@PaChi2

Cool. Regardless, she's nowhere near water and Groudon's mere presence probably is detrimental to any water she'd be in. Among that she can still get hit by solar beam and thunder, and it's not like it a takes a long time to use scary face and rock polish.
 
QuagsireTheLegend said:
There's also you know....Solar Beam
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She is not weak to plant moves ovo

@Cal

Leviathan has no problem living surrounded by lava.
 
She is not a water pokemon.

Solar beam does to her the same any energy beam would do.
 
From what i'm seeing Leviathan doesnt have any clear hard hitting moves against Groudon thanks to Drought, if what you say is true and she can buff herself same can go for Groudon in the meantime, Rock Polish should be usefull here
 
I never said she was weak to Solar Beam, just gave an example of a powerful attack that was not neccesarily Electric based

I still dont get where the battle is taking place?
 
QuagsireTheLegend said:
From what i'm seeing Leviathan doesnt have any clear hard hitting moves against Groudon thanks to Drought, if what you say is true and she can buff herself same can go for Groudon in the meantime, Rock Polish should be usefull here
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Blizzaga?
 
QuagsireTheLegend said:
I never said she was weak to Solar Beam, just gave an example of a powerful attack that was not neccesarily Electric based

I still dont get where the battle is taking place?
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Changed location to "a beach"
 
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