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Lifebringer Galactus and Logos possible upgrade?

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I believe Logos and Galactus should be High 1-B and anything what happend in the superflow (A conceptual space where Ideas taken form .) is just metaphor there is totally no meaning there etc.

Galactus was stated to view infinite timelines as a mere fraction of his true Vision. Having the 6th multiverse in his heart. he was also able to go outside all time and space Seeing the physical appearance of the multiverse and the multiverse runs on quantum Mechanics and molecule man was able to manipulationsuperstrings which means there are 10 dimensions (low end) in the multiverse (The omniverse/multiverse also has infinite possibilities). All things are connected on a quantum level And galactus was capable of holding all time and space and The totality of Galactus extends across all of reality, all that was in reality and all that will be. Also stated that the neutral zone ( a non euclidean space) at the edge of known science isoutside the omniverse but still inside the omniverse where eldritch and predatoryconcepts exist ( you need this to protect yourself in the Neutral zone ) The Utopia parallel is outside time and the multiverse but still inside the multi eternity (more prove that the omniverse in the ultimates comics =/= regular multiverse)

Also all the things that happends in thesilver surfer comics also appeared in the ultimates comics

The 6th Multiverse is the inventor of Science and the builder to the junction to everywhere

And logos was easily able to beat galactus.

So high 1-B LB and Logos
 
You should ask Matthew to comment here, but the "totality" image comes from a story in which lifebringer Galactus was severely strained from simply sending two objects to the opposite parts of the universe. I think that you severely misinterpret it.
 
Also, you need higher quality uploaded images for us to be able to read them properly.
 
I definitely did not read it that way. It was stated and shown to just be the regular main Marvel universe.
 
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I definitely did not read it that way. It was stated and shown to just be the regular main Marvel universe.
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Well I asked Matthew for this.

But I believe both should get an upgrade LBG has been stated to have the 6th multiverse inside him who powerscales to current eternity who contains the neutral space a white space bording all and at the edge of all known science. And for logos he was superior to LBG and the supreme judge of the omniverse.
 
Well, I personally prefer unknown statistics for Lifebringer Galactus, as it does not make any sense that there would be one Galactus in each universe, with each containing the sentience of the entire multiverse.
 
Logos has objectively no clear power level, it is variable throughout the story.

The 6th Eternity invented science and created the Junction to Everything, which is infinitely dimensional.

Ant, stop bringing up debunked things. Lifebringer Galactus is a multiversal singularity, he's Galactus' true self much like Eternity's universal manifestations are fragments of its true self. This is even sorta referenced in the Abraxas Saga.

Also if the Neutral Zone, which is beyond the Superflow from which all ideas and imagination comes from, is the edge of known science, that means that whatever is beyond it is beyond whatever is scientifically known in the Marvel Universe. The Marvel Multiverse has been scientifically proven to be Infinitely-dimensional by Reed Richards way back in the 60s, in a storyline which El Ewing's Ultimates references multiple times.

So let's recap:

Within the Ultimates' Eternity War storyline, the multiverse (AKA, Eternity), is shown to contain:

  • Structures that work on quantum-mechanics and superstring theory
  • The Superflow, a conceptual space from which all ideas, metaphors and imagined things come from. If someone on Earth has a new revolutionary idea / philosophy, they come from the Superflow
  • The Neutral Zone, an eldritch space beyond the Superflow which is the edge of all known science
  • The Junction to Everything, an explictely infinitely-dimensional realm built by the 6th Eternity, who was the inventor of science.
How is Multi-Eternity, and by extension the people on his level in the same storyline, not considered to be objectively and unambiguously High 1-B is beyond me.
 
I did not say that Multi-Eternity is not High 1-B. I am just very uncertain about Galactus himself, as each Galactus have traditionally been stated to contain the sentience of their respective preceding universes, not the entire multiverse, but I suppose that may have been retconned, even though it doesn't particularly make sense, as the Lifebringer was never stated to be all versions of Galactus merged into one, as far as I am aware.
 
Anyway, I am going away to watch some entertainment for several hours, so I will not be available for a while.
 
Have you read the Abraxas Saga? It explains that Galactus is a basically the "immune system" of Reality. He's a mechanism placed in every universe by Multi-Eternity, so that the rate of entropy and universay decay is kept in balance, making it so that Abraxas would never need to arise again.

That strongly suggests that Galactus merged with Multi-Eternity, who then placed him as shards in every iteration of itself.

The Ultimates outright confirms that Galan was from the 6th Iteration of the Multiverse and merged with the Full Eternity. Sure, it's a slight retcon, but it doesn't come out of nowhere. Galactus already had an established connection to Multi-Eternity.
 
@Ant Well I remember a while ago you claimed Multi Eternity in ultimates comics was 2-A or high 2-A before

And totally agreed with matthew.
 
Well, I do not think that it makes much sense, even though I read the Abraxas saga, but am willing to accept it if you think that it is best.
 
I do not know. It seems extremely inconsistent for him to get that massive an upgrade, and illogical change in origin, but we may not have any choice.
 
That said, he still had some trouble defeating Celestials, and was strained from just sending two objects to opposite pars of a universe, so that does imply that his upgrade was not so extreme.
 
the universe in silver surfer comics was stated to be all there is didn't matthew already explained that before.

and it was a conceptual space so anything what happend in there doesn't scale to ap.
 
The way I remember it, the entire point of the comicbook was that the Silver Surfer had to fly to the end of the universe.

Calling it "all there is" would be massive irrational hyperbole from the writer, and I do not recall this being stated in the first place,
 
That scan is from an entirely different Silver Surfer story than the one with Lifebringer Galactus.
 
That scan is from a Tie-In comic with Secret Wars, and Eternity was clearly talking about the cosmic retcon / reboot that was occuring at the time.
 
Yeah, having read the entirety of Ewing Ultimates run, I can say that I find it weird how Galactus and Logos are only 2-A when the story explicitely involved the entirety of the Marvel omniverse. Also yes, it was a "retcon", but what Galan survived was not the end of a single universe but the end of the entire 6th iteration, the Science inventor.

This seems reasonable, I support it.
 
Possibly, yes, but not based on the Silver Surfer issue. It repeatedly referenced travelling to the end of a single universe to keep it from being destroyed. That makes it extremely unreliable as evidence.
 
Wow. I never thought I would see the day... Jeez. Anyways... I agree with the majority. High 1-B Lifebringer Galactus was honestly undoubtedly in my mind since a few of us mentioned this prior, and rereading the entirety of Ultimates and Secret Wars . This would also upgrade Omnipotentus whenever new info about him comes out, since LB Galactus fought him equally ( With said Galactus admitting he would lose ) in the newer comics and was stated to be " His master in the same way LB Galactus is Surfer's ", implying a crazy power difference .

LB Galactus struggling with Celestials is not a low end Antvasima. They had crazy high-ends at times, sometimes implied to be comparable , if not superior to Multi-Eternity. And honestly... Frankie + Celestials only have like 2-3 major feats each portraying them as just Universal. Everything else implies far greater.
 
Well, it seems odd and inconsistent to me to rate either Galactus or Celestials as High 1-B, but if there is sufficient evidence, I will obviously go along with it.
 
Even in Hickman's Reborn, where hey have said Universal Feat that begun the downplaying in the first place , they blatantly contradict it, giving Little Franklin , Adult Franklin , and the Celestials Multiversal Statements & Scaling ( Reading back into said comic... I'm unsure if that was 2-A or High 1-B... They just said ' Split the Multiverse into Universe '... Never specified how big it was at the time before it was split apart. ) . Then we have Frankie stated to destroy all there is in Abraxas Comics , when in said comic All there is was Multi-Eternity's Boundless Multiverse statement. Then we have Celestials pocket dimension helmet containing the Rip, where all dimensions and realities intersect. I'm looking for that one. There are a few more statements and feats... But I am generally going to stop here.

I understand. However, we should discuss this at a later time. For now, I heavily agree with Matthew & Lucky.
 
Well, it is up to Matthew to organise any revisions. I am far too tired and overworked to handle it.
 
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