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5th Dimensional Archie Sonic

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What's your point? Chaos Force is already ranked as High 2-A and Sonic is already 2-A as Super Sonic which is "infinite 4D/pre-5D".
 
@Sera

I looked at the post linked; apparently, the OP is suggesting that the Chaos Force is at the very least 6-D due to something about it "supporting the existence of extradimensional worlds", and Super Sonic should scale since he (with Super Megaman's help) planned to undo the Super Genesis Wave, which affected the Chaos Force according to Word of God.
 
I'm not sure if this mention of extradimensional worlds is enough to warrant anything higher than High 2-A, but I'd like to know why Super Sonic isn't High 2-A as well. Is the WoG faulty, or something?
 
Because it's not exactly true. The in-universe Super Genesis Wave didn't remove the Chaos Force, it just got dropped out of continuity by Ian Flynn. I think it's to too meta to consider a legitimate statement.
 
Alright then.

While we're talking about the Chaos Force, the OP believes that this sca indicates the Chaos Force (it says Precioustone, is that something else?) being Low 1-C at minimum.

I'm doubtful that these "extradimensional worlds" are any more than just places outside of the multiverse; hell, it could even mean other realms withi the multiverse. I don't know though, I haven't read any of this.
 
They are likely places outside the multiverse and nothing more. Since that would indeed make them extradimensional anyway.
 
Since Sera has answered this question, should we close this thread?
 
The Chaos Force's cosmology was indeed changed in-universe to the First Spark/Last Light & the Chaos Titans as shown in issue #280 & further supported in Sonic Universe issue #88 when Ixis was "A Primordial force from the beginning of time! It was sealed by lesser,chaotic forces that shaped the universe as we know it!" IDK maybe SS is 5-D for changing said higher dimension to something else.
 
AD INFINITUM 444 said:
The Chaos Force's cosmology was indeed changed in-universe to the First Spark/Last Light & the Chaos Titans as shown in issue #280 & further supported in Sonic Universe issue #88 when Ixis was "A Primordial force from the beginning of time! It was sealed by lesser,chaotic forces that shaped the universe as we know it!" IDK maybe SS is 5-D for changing said higher dimension to something else.
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So Super Sonic really affected Chaos Force with Super Genesis Wave?
 
Is there anything left to do here, or should I close this?
 
@Ant

It seems like Ad Infinitum has something to say in regards to the proposed upgrade to High 2-A for Super Sonic.

Why not wait for Sera to come back and address it?
 
Yes. Super Megaman Succeeded in restoring his multiverse. Super Sonic only failed due to Eggman's interruption,this also consistant with Master Mogul even with his power greatly diminished,mortally wounding the Ancient Walkers...
 
Yes.The Sonic Encyclopedia states that The Chaos Emeralds are physical embodiments of the Chaos Force. I interpret that all Chaos Energy is transcendent to space-time,not just "Chaos Force" Chaos Energy.
 
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Yes,The Sonic Encyclopedia states that The Chaos Emeralds are physical embodiments of the Chaos Force. I interpret that all Chaos Energy is transcendent to space-time,not just "Chaos Force" Chaos Energy.
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One question. Why here Sonic with extra chaos energy is considered a High Reality Warper if it is only on a planetary scale?
 
The First Genesis wave in issue #225 altered space-time on the Surface of Mobius on panel.In #229 in the Genesis finale, Super Sonic uses chaos control to change it back to normal.I interpret the entire timeline/universe was changed but what is shown on panel is a supposed planetary event.
 
No, because with that interpretation a mere usage of chaos energy is automatically High 2-A. Chaos is the power to warp spacetime (on a low scale) Super Sonic and co. can do so on a significantly higher scale and those who have ascended into the Chaos Force are transcendent in relation to spacetime. That's how it works. It's just the games' chaos energy amped up to 11.

Anyway, the above information is too far-fetched (being from Google+ does not make it any better) but using the Chaos Force being affected by the SGW to scale Super Sonic to 5D power is fine, although he is not a higher-dimensional being (so no category), nor does it automatically scale to his durability in my expert opinion. That would suggest a lot of backwards scaling I'm not comfortable with, as Super Sonic's tier is based on powerscaling to Knuckle's Enerjak who is 2-A and has no High 2-A feats or scaling (only true Enerjak does). I take multiple consistent feats over one/two high-end-potentially-outlierish-feats. Heck, let's say we do go with this, I'd be completely fine with Super Sonic ranked as 2-A. High 2-A with reality warping.
 
Wasn't it dropped due to copyright issues? That would be less a statement of the Genisis Wave's power, and more an example of real life writing the plot.
 
@Sera Loveheart

I was thinking about the consistency/scaling aswell & you certainly have the right idea. I agree 100% with 2-A, High 2-A with Hax.
 
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@Sera Loveheart

I was thinking about the consistency/scaling aswell & you certainly have the right idea. I agree 100% with 2-A, High 2-A with Hax.
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What about Super Sonic erasing Illumina and MaginaryWorld with Super Genesis Wave? Remember that Illumina is an abstract being.
 
I heard that the archie pages have abilities missing from them. I don't know I am not to familiar with the archie sonic comics.
 
Welp,my friend tell me this:" Extra-dimensional worlds sound more like a fancy way of saying 4D infinite universe and worlds, not 5D. It must been explicitly stated to be higher dimensional as in beyond 4D."
 
I've explained that the SGW did change the Chaos Force's cosmology to The First Spark/Last Light,Chaos Titans,& Ixis.STH #280 & SU #88 show that the concept of Chaos Energy & it's origins were altered.
 
"@AD Infinitum

Cosmology is still a thing. While I may not be a expert for Archie Sonic's stuff, I do think extra dimensional (meaning 4D) doesn't necessarily translate to 5D unless it was explicitly mentioned as such and the quotes/scans to show for it."
 
@ Dark Matter557

Illumina & Maginaryworld were altered to some degree since they were under jurisdiction of the Zone Cops.
 
I'm okay with the characters being listed as "2-A, High 2-A with hax". Mammoth Mogul was able to strike down the Ancient Walkers, after all.
 
I do not think its necessary to add that, also since the Ancient Walkers were weakened when Mogul attacked them.
 
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