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Who is the real 'Hero'? - Medaka Kurokami vs SCP-2786 (2 more votes)

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This should be good.

Medaka Kurokami vs SCP-2786

Base modes for both. Medaka has "The Hero" active. Speed equalized. Win via SBA.

Medaka
I sense someone trying to take over my role... With memes!

SCP2786-2
I did not hit her, that's bullshit. I did not hit her! I did not... Oh, hi Medaka.


Let the games begin.
 
Ajimu has her own causality and plot manipulation abilities (but still can't beat the least qualified of the characters with the role of "hero/main character" in the MB universe who Medaka's main character status completely outclasses) and that seems to be 2786's ability. Also, Medaka's "hero/main character" status surpasses Iihiko's which surpassed all the other ones that had appeared in the universe before him, so she should be a superior "main character" to 2786. So, I think Medaka should win.

I feel like this match treads the line between versus board and fun and games.
 
Just a head's up, I don't know if this is considered or not, but 2786 treats the reality that it is in as fiction. So his plot manip extends beyond the 4D scale. Though, I don't know if this also extends on a 1-B scale, as the SCP 'fiction' contains countless dimensions. But at the very least, his plot manip is 4D or above.
 
Sir Ovens said:
Just a head's up, I don't know if this is considered or not, but 2786 treats the reality that it is in as fiction. So his plot manip extends beyond the 4D scale. Though, I don't know if this also extends on a 1-B scale, as the SCP 'fiction' contains countless dimensions. But at the very least, his plot manip is 4D or above.
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Ajimu calls everyone ink on paper, everything that happens was said to be just her imagination and calls the world a manga. So they should be around the same level. So since it worked on Ajimu it works on this girl too. Idk anything about her at all doe.
 
Only thing I know is that 2786 matches will be full of Medaka-like NLFs once she gets popular. OvO...ish.
 
Wow, I'm really happy to see that 2786 has caught on so quickly that there are currently active matchups against Medaka and Yuichi (btw if any of y'all haven't seen that thread yet, you might wanna check it out. I go into some more detail about how 2786 "works" and the sorts of things it is capable of and has shown).

I should note also that I may have overlooked something extremely significant. Progressing through Amnesia in the manner it's explicitly stated to have done means it 100% beyond the shadow of a doubt had to have killed The Shadow who is possibly Universal+ (I really need to make profiles for Amnesia).

And @Kep

Indeed, 2786 is very easy to NLF. For example, what if SCP-2786 entered... Chrono Cross?


EDIT: For clarification, 2786 killing a Low 2-C in this case might not be AP (in fact, I don't think it is), it could just be durability negation which would still be a massive amp considering that the implication is that its durability negation is so extreme that it can kill an intangible Low 2-C with a pistol regardless and additionally, it was already necessarily implied that its hax work on The Shadow.
 
Upping the ante again, what if SCP-2786 could enter visual novels? That's where it ends though, it's weakness is having its existence denied and being trapped into believing it is fictional, so uh not getting through Umineko

EDIT: beat me to it on the VNs
 
Also, I should note that The Shadow has some solid hax (that I'll outline ITT when I'm not posting on my phone) so 2786 has more resistances than I initially put in the profile and power null is also likely warranted.

@any staff ITT

Do I need to make a CRT to fix a profile's Powers and Abilities I made several days ago (the basis for these Powers and Abilities was already written into the profile via it soloing the game from the start, there are just more than I thought)
 
I mean...

it seems inconclusive, whenever Medaka gets close to killing SCP-2786, SCP-2786 will write themselves out of the situation.

Plus High-Godly.
 
Holyhotsauce said:
I mean...
it seems inconclusive, whenever Medaka gets close to killing SCP-2786, SCP-2786 will write themselves out of the situation.

Plus High-Godly.
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Even if SCP get's all fiction blitzed? I mean once Bookmaker is in it will stop any means by which u can counter it.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Holyhotsauce said:
I mean...
it seems inconclusive, whenever Medaka gets close to killing SCP-2786, SCP-2786 will write themselves out of the situation.

Plus High-Godly.
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Even if SCP get's all fiction blitzed? I mean once Bookmaker is in it will stop any means by which u can counter it.
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And then SCP-2786 will write themselves out of the situation where Bookmaker takes effect.

Hence why I think this is inconclusive.
 
I'm inclined to believe 2786 has 1-B plot manip, as it jacks the plot of whatever medium it is in. Given the SCP 'fiction' is 1-B, I believe it's plot manip extends to that level as well. The only reason it was captured was because Swann's Proposal willed it so.
 
Sir Ovens said:
I'm inclined to believe 2786 has 1-B plot manip, as it jacks the plot of whatever medium it is in. Given the SCP 'fiction' is 1-B, I believe it's plot manip extends to that level as well. The only reason it was captured was because Swann's Proposal willed it so.
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Still doe Bookmaker lol nope?
 
Bookmaker has never lolnoped a 1-B before.

Inb4 you say Ajimu is 1-B, she's not. She's unquantifiably more powerful than the rest of the cast. That's it.
 
Sir Ovens said:
Bookmaker has never lolnoped a 1-B before.
Inb4 you say Ajimu is 1-B, she's not. She's unquantifiably more powerful than the rest of the cast. That's it.
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Wow, wow wait. She's not 1-B, her hax is 1-B. There is a huge difference. With scp-s current tier it's ez for bookmaker.
 
You can't lolnope powers and abilities that are higher tier than you though?
 
Sir Ovens said:
You can't lolnope powers and abilities that are higher tier than you though?
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It's like this, Bookmaker makes u unable to use any power, it doesn't have to beat the powers themselves, ajimu has far stronger shit than bookmaker and was still sealed. Bookmaker works.
 
Merrr, 2786 has both passive and active Plot Manipulation so that should cover it but I don't think there's any evidence for 1-B hax, only Low 2-C from Amnesia because of it haxxing (via control of the game itself) and killing (most likely via durability negation) The Shadow
 
OuterversalRaditz said:
Merrr, 2786 has both passive and active Plot Manipulation so that should cover it but I don't think there's any evidence for 1-B hax, only Low 2-C from Amnesia because of it haxxing (via control of the game itself) and killing (most likely via durability negation) The Shadow
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So medaka wins for u?
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Sir Ovens said:
You can't lolnope powers and abilities that are higher tier than you though?
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It's like this, Bookmaker makes u unable to use any power, it doesn't have to beat the powers themselves, ajimu has far stronger shit than bookmaker and was still sealed. Bookmaker works.
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SCP-2786's Plot manip would prevent Bookmaker from working in the first place.
 
Wait does Medaka own Devil Style here? For any of u who don't know, Devil Style is the ability to prevent fate, plot, the narrative and probability from affecting the outcome of a fight. That should stomp here.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Wait does Medaka own Devil Style here? For any of u who don't know, Devil Style is the ability to prevent fate, plot, the narrative and probability from affecting the outcome of a fight. That should stomp here.
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What would determine the fight then? 2786 has dura negation that can kill a Low 2-C

Edit: and just in case it's relevant for some reason, it can create the weapon and it works on intangibles
 
OuterversalRaditz said:
What would determine the fight then? 2786 has dura negation that can kill a Low 2-C
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Dura negation, and? Medaka has no durability, she'll just come back to life. That's how it works.
 
The funny thing is that just by raw AP, itd have an extremely tough time overcoming Tier 8 durability loool. The problem though is that before Medaka uses any abilities, just by virtue of existing in the battle, a certain degree of plot and causality manipulation from 2786 will be in effect and while I'm not the most knowledgeable on Medaka, from what I understand 2786 is working on a much higher scale (as I stated, Low 2-C but could possibly be much higher than that as I touched on in the Yuichi thread).
 
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