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Dragon Ball Super Downgrades...

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Oh boy... I really can't wait to see how this goes...

So i think DBS god-tiers should be downgraded to 3-A

So let's begin with some proofs...

Shaking the World of Void
First thing, WoV has literally NOTHING except for the arena, meaning his clash with Jiren only shook the arena... Even if you say it has time due to the fact Hit could use time skip, it was never shown they shook the time-space continuum in WoV.

And also, there's no actual proof Goku and Jiren shocked it, there are only statements...

And that also doesn't make sense, if shaking WoV is an infinite energy 4-Dimensional thing, then Goku transforming into Ultra Instinct or fighting with Jiren would have insta-killed nearly everyone there. Or you are gonna say Master Roshi or Krillin are 4-Dimensional too?

Giygas Absorbed Zamasu's 4-Dimensional Power
About Infinite Zamasu being 4-D, the fact of him affecting the current timeline can't prove he is 4-Dimensional. There are mutiple other ways of explaining this that make much more sense, like time manipulation, portal creations, and even if it's related to 4-Dimensional power, it's perfectly possible for Zamasu to be a 3-Dimensional being with a 4-Dimensional time manipulation. And it doesn't even make sense, SSB Goku survived an attack from this Zamasu and survived, and SSB Goku is still 3-Dimensional. And even if we consider him as 4-Dimensional, it's still not Low 2-C, since he didn't consume the universe at that point, just earth.

Low Multiversal Zen'o
So yeah, our proofs on 2-C Zen'o are:

"Whis stated that Zen'ō could easily erase the entire multiverse if he so wished"

Only a statement, nothing to prove it isn't hyperbole, Whis has never seen Zen'o do such feat to know this...

"Future Zen'ō effortlessly erased everything, including all 12 universes and the incorporeal Zamasu"

Well, first thing, it was never shown Zen'o erased all the 12 universes, there was only a statement implying this, the only thing that was shown was the destruction of U7. Even if it erased all of them, it's still 3-A, cause universes in DBS are bound by the same timeline, what has been demonstrated multiple times, and because Zamasu isn't 4-Dimensional as shown above. That means Zen'o has at most a Multi-Universal power in a 3-Dimensional scale, what's still 3-A to our standards

And even if you say that Zen'o erased some universes when he was at a bad mood, still, he could have done it gradually destroying universe per universe, and even if it destroyed all of them at once, it would still be only 3-A as i stated above.

Conclusion
In conclusion, DBS top tiers should be downgraded from Low 2-C/2-C to 3-A
 
While I am not currently in a position to sit down and explain what is wrong with this, I will rest assured that some of my other mods and admins will be quick to arms.

Also Zen'o is 2-C so matter what since he already erased 6 universes. There were more than the current 12 before he got ticked off.
 
Shaking the world of void was actually debunked somewhere as a mistranslation IIRC. Not that it matters.

While I'm not 100% okay with Low 2-C Zamasu, Goku taking hits form it is an outlier and the supposedly mindless Zamasu using specific time manip and portal creation just to appear to be everywhere instead of actually being everywhere seems speculatory.
 
What a lovely thing thread I came to when I got back home. I'm going to enjoy watching it burn. :)

1."First thing, WoV has literally NOTHING except for the arena, meaning his clash with Jiren only shook the arena... Even if you say it has time due to the fact Hit could use time skip, it was never shown they shook the time-space continuum in WoV." We don't consider the void to be an absolute void, last time I checked.

2. "And also, there's no actual proof Goku and Jiren shocked it, there are only statements..." That makes no sense. Multiple statements are proof that they shook not only the arena, but the whole thing.... We don't have to physically see it being shaken to, That's not an argument, or at least... Being really Nitpicky.

3. It was confirmed he was becoming one with the Universe, and we clearly see him affecting time in some form or another through those means, albeit, through the means of a "rift" from the Time-Machine. It's still clearly portrayed as him becoming a 4-D being, if not already practically.

4 "Well, first thing, it was never shown Zen'o erased all the 12 universes, there was only a statement implying this, the only thing that was shown was the destruction of U7. Even if it erased all of them, it's still 3-A, cause universes in DBS are bound by the same timeline" I can find so many things wrong with this. The fact it was virtually shown he destroyed the whole 12 Universe, especially how it was shown from its secondary counterpart. They're statements from Whis and Beerus.... You're Nitpicking very much at this point.

Also, 3-A from destroying its entirety due to it being in the same timeline? That's Low 2-C no matter how you cut it, and it's considered a 2-C feat from him destroying existence, the "world" however you want to define it as.
 
The Everlasting said:
"Only a statement, nothing to prove it isn't hyperbole, Whis has never seen Zen'o do such feat to know this..."
You mean besides there being Universes 13-18 that Zeno objectively erased?
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He could have done it gradually destroying universe per universe, and even if it destroyed all of them at once, it would still be only 3-A as i stated above.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
While I am not currently in a position to sit down and explain what is wrong with this, I will rest assured that some of my other mods and admins will be quick to arms.
Also Zen'o is 2-C so matter what since he already erased 6 universes. There were more than the current 12 before he got ticked off.
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Universes in DBS are bound by the same timeline, what has been demonstrated multiple times
 
We are allowed to use the secondary canon like the manga to help with feats. We directly see in the manga that the time ring which represents the timeline disappeared which shows that he also affected the time-space.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Can we not swarm such threads with reaction images?
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I think you forgot which website you were on.
 
"Infinite Zamasu affecting the current timeline along with future Trunks' one" What? That makes no sense for how they're bounded by the same timeline.
 
The Everlasting said:
That's not an excuse.
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Come on. This is a place of memes and versus.

Trying to deny the memes will only result in the temptation for more memes. Either that or it will just be plain Awkward. Like right now.
 
Giygas3 said:
"Infinite Zamasu affecting the current timeline along with future Trunks' one" What? That makes no sense for how they're bounded by the same timeline.
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I think I get what you mean. I'm assuming you're saying if someone destroyed all 12 universes it would be 3-A, low 2-C If if you include space time.
 
"I think I get what you mean. I'm assuming you're saying if someone destroyed all 12 universes it would be 3-A, low 2-C If if you include space time." Not really. If we're just going with the tier system, It would be 3-A if you just destroyed the matter, Low 2-C if all those Universes was in the same timeline, 2-C if they're independent of separate timelines. However, His reasoning for them sharing the same timeline, made no sense.
 
M+S=Greatness said:
Giygas3 said:
"Infinite Zamasu affecting the current timeline along with future Trunks' one" What? That makes no sense for how they're bounded by the same timeline.
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I think I get what you mean. I'm assuming you're saying if someone destroyed all 12 universes it would be 3-A, low 2-C If if you include space time.
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Exactly
 
Anyway, my stance here is pretty much the same as Saikous.

In fact, I do have one slight issue with Low 2-C Zamasu, but other than that, nothing else really.
 
So 12 universes = 2-C, if that's the case, why aren't any GoD level characters 2-C when Beerus and Champa were gonna destroy universe 6 and 7? I know space time wasn't mentioned, but if it's still a 3-A feat, wouln't that contridict the fact that each universe has it's own space-time? (Even more prof to show how f#cked up DBS scaling is.)
 
Because of the fact it was a slowed (they weren't going to immediately destroy U6 and 7 as the fight was only slowly disinegrating the area before Whis and Vados intervened) and shared feat (Both Beerus and Champa were doing this).
 
The 2-C stat from Zeno'o comes from the fact that he erased not only the timeline if not the heaven and hell along with it, that according to most of the staff, count as erasing different timelines. Afaik, the 12 share the same timeline (not counting heaven/hell).
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Because of the fact it was a slowed (they weren't going to immediately destroy U6 and 7 as the fight was only slowly disinegrating the area before Whis and Vados intervened) and shared feat (Both Beerus and Champa were doing this).
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Would speed even matter if it was space time?
 
Considering the fact that the area they were disenegrating was the dining area in Beerus's castle, which didnt even immediately destroy the table, chairs, etc., it definitely wasn't affecting space-time in any way.

And even if it was, that still wouldnt make them 2-C since its shared. Its basically Low 2-C + Low 2-C to equal a baseline 2-C feat in this case.
 
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