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SSJ4 Goku vs Pre Crisis Superman

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This is the SSJ4 Goku that was beating Syn Shenron, so SSJ4 Goku (Limits Surpassed), keep in mind that apparently at the start of GT, Base Goku>=SSJ3 Goku (Buu Saga), Buu Arc SSJ3 Goku was already easily Multi-Solar System level, Base Goku (Start of GT) was apparently equal to him and SSJ4 is 4,000x Base according to the official SSJ Multipliers while SSJ4 is generally accepted as 10x SSJ3, but that's not all, Majuub did a better job against Baby then Baby Arc SSJ3 Goku did, while Majuub got destroyed by Super 17, while Super 17 Arc SSJ Goku held his own, so SSJ Goku (S17 Arc)>Majuub>SSJ3 Goku (Baby Arc) since SSJ3 is 8x SSJ, Goku should've gotten at least 9x stronger in the Super 17 Saga, so 4,000 x 9 = 36,000, so that means SSJ4 Goku (Super 17 Arc) is 36,000x SSJ3 Goku (Buu Arc) going by this, we don't know if Goku got stronger during the Shadow Dragon Arc though, but Goku obviously got stronger since he overpowered Syn Shenron, in this match, Goku can also use Kaioken, for this match Kaioken has no strain so Goku can use it as much as he wants, so how does this Goku fair against this Superman? I think they are quite balanced, this SSJ4 Goku can likely tank what Pre Crisis Superman can dish out, while Superman can also tank what Goku can dish out, if Superman is much more likely to win, then 2nd round is EOGT SSJ4 Goku (Hero's Legacy), that Goku can also use Kaioken without any strain

1st Round is SSJ4 Goku (Shadow Dragon Arc and Limits Surpassed) vs Pre Crisis Superman 2nd Round is EOGT SSJ4 Goku (Hero's Legacy) vs Pre Crisis Superman


Goku SSJ4 v2 by drozdoo
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Pre Crisis Superman
 
This version of Goku gets annihilated by PC Supes. The speed difference is just ridiculous. Don't even give him the Sword since he becomes nigh omnipresent lol.
 
Oblivion00 said:
This version of Goku gets annihilated by PC Supes. The speed difference is just ridiculous. Don't even give him the Sword since he becomes nigh omnipresent lol.
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This version of superman is a walking plot device. All his stats become infinite if it's needed lol.

Infinity - Goku's speed = Infinity

This is a mismatch as you said
 
This version of superman is a walking plot device. All his stats become infinite if it's needed lol.

Infinity - Goku's speed = Infinity

This is a mismatch as you said

if this is a mismatch, then how would SSJG Goku fair against this Superman?
 
SSG Goku would beat him unless you use screwattack type arguments to give superman infinite stats from vague statements and author intent.
 
DBZMLP12345 said:
This version of superman is a walking plot device. All his stats become infinite if it's needed lol.

Infinity - Goku's speed = Infinity

This is a mismatch as you said
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if this is a mismatch, then how would SSJG Goku fair against this Superman?

Probably stalemate unless Superman destroys the planet (in which case Goku would suffocate and die)
 
Round 1 seems like a stalemate

Round 2 Unknown thx to EOGT Goku being so ambigious
 
TISSG7Regrave said:
Round 1 seems like a stalemate

Round 2 Unknown thx to EOGT Goku being so ambigious
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I thought in a guide of sorts to Hero's Legacy, it says EOGT Goku got stronger, although granted, we have no idea how strong, but I believe in that same guide it says SSJ4 Gogeta was the strongest (Prior to the release of Beerus, Whis, SSJG etc), so wouldn't that mean SSJ4 Gogeta>EOGTSSJ4 Goku? although I have EOGT SSJ4 Goku definitely stronger then Omega Shenron now, SSJ4 Gogeta was said to be dozens of times stronger then a Regular SSJ4, since dozen is 12, 12 x 12 = 144, so I have SSJ4 Gogeta going by that statement to be 144x SSJ4 Goku (Shadow Dragon Arc), I have EOGT SSJ4 Goku roighly around 90% of Gogeta, so I believe EOGT Goku is like at least 130x Shadow Dragon Arc Goku, I definitely believe Goku got a lot stonger, he could now easily beat Omega Shenron, but still not as strong as Shadow Dragon Arc SSJ4 Gogeta
 
DBZMLP12345 said:
TISSG7Regrave said:
Round 1 seems like a stalemate

Round 2 Unknown thx to EOGT Goku being so ambigious
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I thought in a guide of sorts to Hero's Legacy, it says EOGT Goku got stronger, although granted, we have no idea how strong, but I believe in that same guide it says SSJ4 Gogeta was the strongest (Prior to the release of Beerus, Whis, SSJG etc), so wouldn't that mean SSJ4 Gogeta>EOGTSSJ4 Goku? although I have EOGT SSJ4 Goku definitely stronger then Omega Shenron now, SSJ4 Gogeta was said to be dozens of times stronger then a Regular SSJ4, since dozen is 12, 12 x 12 = 144, so I have SSJ4 Gogeta going by that statement to be 144x SSJ4 Goku (Shadow Dragon Arc), I have EOGT SSJ4 Goku roighly around 90% of Gogeta, so I believe EOGT Goku is like at least 130x Shadow Dragon Arc Goku, I definitely believe Goku got a lot stonger, he could now easily beat Omega Shenron, but still not as strong as Shadow Dragon Arc SSJ4 Gogeta
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That's what I mean we don't know the upper limits of both SSJ4 Gogeta and EOGT Goku so it is ambigious at most universal i guess but that is imo
 
I think Goku SSJ4 wins this due to having far superior Striking strength and combat speed and Pre Crisis is a bad writing, he isn't Oped but rather Broken... or probably a stalemate
 
The Deathstar Rock said:
I think Goku SSJ4 wins this due to having far superior Striking strength and combat speed and Pre Crisis is a bad writing, he isn't Oped but rather Broken... or probably a stalemate
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Surviving big bang is not OP? SSJ4 Goku has zero notable feats. And pretty sure GT Goku doesn't have infinite speed, he's only FTL+

Superman survie Big Bang
 
I thought in a guide of sorts to Hero's Legacy, it says EOGT Goku got stronger, although granted, we have no idea how strong, but I believe in that same guide it says SSJ4 Gogeta was the strongest (Prior to the release of Beerus, Whis, SSJG etc), so wouldn't that mean SSJ4 Gogeta>EOGTSSJ4 Goku? although I have EOGT SSJ4 Goku definitely stronger then Omega Shenron now, SSJ4 Gogeta was said to be dozens of times stronger then a Regular SSJ4, since dozen is 12, 12 x 12 = 144, so I have SSJ4 Gogeta going by that statement to be 144x SSJ4 Goku (Shadow Dragon Arc), I have EOGT SSJ4 Goku roighly around 90% of Gogeta, so I believe EOGT Goku is like at least 130x Shadow Dragon Arc Goku, I definitely believe Goku got a lot stonger, he could now easily beat Omega Shenron, but still not as strong as Shadow Dragon Arc SSJ4 Gogeta
That's what I mean we don't know the upper limits of both SSJ4 Gogeta and EOGT Goku so it is ambigious at most universal i guess but that is imo

EOGT SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Gogeta are powerful indeed, but saying they are Universal is a bit of a stretch, even SSJ4 Gogeta would be lucky enough to make it to Small Galaxy level if you scale from Cell seeing as how there are Billions of Solar Systems in a single Galaxy, heck, even though it wouldn't make sense at all, even if SSJ4 Gogeta fused with EOGT SSJ4 Goku and formed SSJ4 Gogeku (obviously a made up name, I think its pretty good lol) Gogeku would be lucky to make it to Low Multi-Galaxy level in my opinion
 
Stalemate. Goku can't touch or hurt Superman but Superman can't hurt Goku enough, unless he has the hax to overcome Goku's durability.
 
DBZMLP12345 said:
I thought in a guide of sorts to Hero's Legacy, it says EOGT Goku got stronger, although granted, we have no idea how strong, but I believe in that same guide it says SSJ4 Gogeta was the strongest (Prior to the release of Beerus, Whis, SSJG etc), so wouldn't that mean SSJ4 Gogeta>EOGTSSJ4 Goku? although I have EOGT SSJ4 Goku definitely stronger then Omega Shenron now, SSJ4 Gogeta was said to be dozens of times stronger then a Regular SSJ4, since dozen is 12, 12 x 12 = 144, so I have SSJ4 Gogeta going by that statement to be 144x SSJ4 Goku (Shadow Dragon Arc), I have EOGT SSJ4 Goku roighly around 90% of Gogeta, so I believe EOGT Goku is like at least 130x Shadow Dragon Arc Goku, I definitely believe Goku got a lot stonger, he could now easily beat Omega Shenron, but still not as strong as Shadow Dragon Arc SSJ4 Gogeta
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That's what I mean we don't know the upper limits of both SSJ4 Gogeta and EOGT Goku so it is ambigious at most universal i guess but that is imo EOGT SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Gogeta are powerful indeed, but saying they are Universal is a bit of a stretch, even SSJ4 Gogeta would be lucky enough to make it to Small Galaxy level if you scale from Cell seeing as how there are Billions of Solar Systems in a single Galaxy, heck, even though it wouldn't make sense at all, even if SSJ4 Gogeta fused with EOGT SSJ4 Goku and formed SSJ4 Gogeku (obviously a made up name, I think its pretty good lol) Gogeku would be lucky to make it to Low Multi-Galaxy level in my opinion
I guess
 
This is interesting. I had Superboy-Prime, whose power is based off of Pre Crisis Superman, face SSJ Gogeta and everyone said inconclusive due to neither one being able to kill each other. But here, everyone is saying Supes due to speed and some sort of hax. Now, this speed is somewhat higher than Prime's but what i s this hax?
 
Natse said:
This is interesting. I had Superboy-Prime, whose power is based off of Pre Crisis Superman, face SSJ Gogeta and everyone said inconclusive due to neither one being able to kill each other. But here, everyone is saying Supes due to speed and some sort of hax. Now, this speed is somewhat higher than Prime's but what i s this hax?
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Pre Crisis Superman literately stated once he can make any ability possible on the fly, he can make up his own immunities
 
That's more of a durability hax. I'm talking more about attacking hax, which is needed to beat SSJ4 Goku.
 
Natse said:
That's more of a durability hax. I'm talking more about attacking hax, which is needed to beat SSJ4 Goku.
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he can make an ability to one shot the entire dragon ball verse....bruh...
 
Dumbfucc said:
Natse said:
That's more of a durability hax. I'm talking more about attacking hax, which is needed to beat SSJ4 Goku.
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he can make an ability to one shot the entire dragon ball verse....bruh...
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Not Whis/Vados

They have the raw power to deal with SA Superman's hax
 
The Living Tribunal1 said:
draw
superman is multi ss+

goku is small gaalxy lvl or something, but still doesnt have thee power to kill superman
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he sneezed away a solar system..broke infinity ..and he can one shot whis and vados...
 
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