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Piccolo vs Monkey D luffy

Ok, that doesn't really change the fact that goku defeated Piccolo, which makes him stronger.
 
<_< don't think that thread so this should take place over the old one.

Anyway, I don't think any of what I said has changed much so I'll still be voting Luffy. Mainly due to his Kenbunshoku Haki, resistance to blunt force attacks, much higher stamina and higher AP ( Assuming this is Gear Fourth Luffy, he'd be 6.9 Teratons and 6-B with his strongest attacks.)
 
If this is a Snakeman luffy then Luffy stomps due to laughably superior stats, agility and unique skillset.

Tank man Luffy still wins because he still has a massive stat advantage.

G2 luffy Inconclusive or maybe barely Piccolo, I'm not exactly sure how big of an upgrade G2 is.

Now if it is a base Luffy then Piccolo stomps because Piccolo has a huge stat Advantage, skill advantage, is smarter and more versatile.
 
Luffy has more variety and superior stats. Piccolo's only advantage is his limited Regenerationn.

Piccolo would have to withstand being attacked by Gear 4th Luffy for 25+ minutes before it wears off, but that just leaves Luffy weakened and in his Base, 2nd, and 3rd Gears for 10 minutes without the use of Haki, and I seriously doubt Piccolo would last that long against someone who can use homing attacks, pre-cog, and make piercing/blunt attacks that are only comparable to his own durability basically useless.

In-character, Luffy would probably fight in Base/2nd/3rd Gear for a while until Piccolo proves to be a serious threat, which he would seeing as how he is ~1.7 times stronger than Base Luffy, but it would be a relatively even match by a physical stand-point due to Luffy's haki usage and resistance to blunt force. Piccolo would take the advantage due to his ki blasts, flight, and Regenerationn, forcing Luffy to resort to Gear 4th quite quickly.

With Gear 4th Bound Man, Luffy flips the statistical advantage to himself and a drastic speed boost. Piccolo would struggle to even hurt Luffy even if he can keep up with the dramatic speed boost, especially since Luffy still has pre-cog. I don't see Piccolo being able to hold his own against Gear 4th Luffy for an extended period, and even if he does, he will either be crippled, or exhaust his stamina to the point where he's barely standing, and Luffy would still be able to fight with Base.

And since speed is equalized, and I can assume Luffy starts in his base, I believe the speed boost from G2 and G4 apply, so Luffy can outspeed Piccolo.

Luffy Mid-diff having to resort to G4
 
luffy inconclusives goku but mid diffes piccolo is surely not correct. the fight between goku and piccolo went to such extreme difficulty that goku got all his bones broken and could not even walk. if it were not for plot advancement piccolo would have finished goku.

people who claim "goku is stronger than piccolo" based upon their fight should seriously re-read the fight and then draw the appropriate conclusions in regards to versus matchups. similar to no one questioned akainu and aokiji being equals due to their fight prior to the time-skip, no one should claim "goku is stronger duh" due to the fight.

mid diff is simply absurd, when it was inconclusive against someone who is the nigh-equal of piccolo

here is the matchup for reference: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1171930
 
I don't even know why people even considered Luffy vs Goku to be inconclusive. People made votes for Goku because of "ki blast spam" and didn't support it. They even said Goku would One shot with a super kamehameha. That is clearly bias.

Actually, looking at the match, it's outdated. Takes place before One Piece upgrades. It should be removed. Look at the dates before suggesting something like "that's not correct" when Luffy has every single edge over Piccolo outside of limited regen.
 
piccollo can fly indefinetly and spam his ki blasts for however long he wants. luffy has limited air manouverability within a limited timeframe with g4 bounceman. be it from the eyes, his mouth, his hands, whatever - piccolo utilizing his ki blasts to his advantage is a clear IC moveset of him and by no means bias.

it completely bypasses luffys blunt force resistance as well and has a range and AOE which luffy can not outrun.

add in things like Regenerationn for when he will actually be hit for whatever reason and the odds are heavily in the favour of picollo. i stand by my initial claim of assuming luffy taking it "mid-diff" is simply "not correct".
 
Uhm, I was talking about Goku vs Luffy, but mmk.

I would factor in Piccolo's Ki Blasts as an advantage vs Gear 4th if they were even remotely close in stats, which they are not. Luffy in Gear 4th has durability nearly doubling Piccolo's AP (Piccolo's AP is roughly 55~58% Luffy's Dura). projectiles can be evaded due to Luffy's speed advantage by entering Gear 4th + pre-cog and the AoEs can be blocked when taking the previous statement into account. Meanwhile, Luffy's attacks, especially in Snake-Man, would be incredibly difficult for Piccolo to evade seeing as how they drastically increase in speed the more they stretch and turn.

And Luffy's flight in Gear 4th works as any pseudo flight and isn't going to hinder him against Piccolo. And in regards to Piccolo's own homing attacks, Luffy could easily use the same tactics Goku did against him. Piccolo isn't an experienced combatant by his time fighting against Goku, in fact, he's an amateur and made many, many mistakes in his fights at that point that led to him taking damage.

Not to mention that his massive AoE attack took an incredible amount of time to prepare (several pages... Tien had time to make a hole and push everyone into it before Piccolo was ready to set it off), and it left him seriously drained.

So where are these so called advantages Piccolo has? As I can see, he has Regenerationn (VERY LIMITED. You can't tell me he can spam that when he's already at his limit after restoring an arm), "better" flight which is minuscule against Gear 4th, and range (which doesn't matter since the maximum starting distance is 4km according to SBA)

Luffy's advantages in Gear 4th include: ~2x Higher AP and Durability (via Gear 4th), Speed boosts via G4, Precognition and the ability to sense his opponent's intentions, Combat experience, Statistics Amp, High resistance to blunt force and some resistance to piercing attacks (effectively making all of Piccolo's physical strikes useless).

So yes, mid-diff. If you want me to argue all of Piccolo's tactical flaws at this point, I'll be happy to.

"spam ki blasts for as long as he wants". Wank, and bs.
 
we do not decide matches based upon "this guy has 2x more ap therefore he wins" statements. durability and attack potency are not the deciding factor when the difference is as abysmal as it his here. it does not matter whether or not his AP is slighty inferior when his every bread and butter move carry these potency - unless you believe in "split durability" nonsense at least.

durability to a certain level does not mean everything below that threshold doesnt scratch you. it simply means this is the most you get scaled to to tank and continue the fight. arguing otherwise would make any discussion obsolete. you know that.

while i agree that, going by the the vswiki profiles, a super kamehameha from son goku would not oneshot luffy, i believe you will not argue that he would be taking it head on without any form of damage. this is however what picollo did, with the only result him being pissed.

the only significant mode for g4 would be bounceman to even out the flight disadvantage. if he does not resort to it, he is simply a sitting duck without any means to defend himself. his other forms are not useful in a battle against a natural flighter.

unlike luffy, piccollo does not have to put his own physical body in harms way to cause significant damage. this is especially interesting when we take a look at how luffy tends to use his arms to stretch around a litte and attack from different angles. this takes time, as it requires for the arm to actually move certain distances to reach the desired angle of attack.

picolly does not have this weakness. his ki attacks are straightforward, crossing whatever distance (multiple kilometers if necessary) without his actual physical body being exposed. it is the "better" flight + the "permanent" flight + the "unexposed" ability of fighting which add up to a big advantage - solely against the one and only mode luffy can even touch him.

adding this together, pairing it with the fact that every other form of luffy is practically useless and that he has a short timelimit before g4 wears off alone is enough reason to not call it "mid diff".

this is not a "you hit me, i hit you" scenario like good old yu-yu-hakusho in which the circumstances regarding the fighter are to be neglected, this is a 1v1 fight in which both fighters will exploit every and all abilities they have to down their opposition. and in case of luffy he has only 1 single mode for a limited amount of time he can utlize - with only a slight AP and durability advantage, whereas picollo has a permanent advantage in the way he could make the fight go according to his terms.

i will refrain from casting my vote here just now. but your assessment of "mid-diff" is simply not correct given the surroundings of the fight, sorry.

edit: i just saw and screenshotted how you talked in the chat about me. not only calling my made points in this thread "wank" but also adding made-up arguments, supposed to make me look like a "wanker". you mentioned i spoke about "limitless regen" as one example of me wanking. please quote me where i stated this.

i am actually very dissapointed.
 
There was no need for you to even SS the chat, as I made it quite blunt here on how I see your opinion on this. In fact, I'd like for you to explain to me how it isn't wank to suggest that Piccolo can spam ki-blasts and regenerating more than an arm/leg without exhausting his stamina. Literally every single fight he has from DB to DBS debunks this unless its an outright stomp.

Tanking/blocking =/= nullifying, but in any case, you ignored just about every point I made regardless. It is quite biased of you, actually. Not to mention how you mention "2x difference is moot" when the gap between base Luffy and Piccolo is much lower than Piccolo and Gear 4th. You act as though I merely stated the AP and Dura gap and left it at that. Keep ignoring the other points, I suppose.

You also ignore that Luffy has some attacks that allow him to send off focused shock-waves such as Leo Bazooka, Eagle Bazooka, and a couple others. So he also doesn't have to "put his body in harm's way". Not like it matters since he uses his body to entrap his opponents in any case.

All you've done is repeat yourself and ignore any points I have made and went on to suggest "Piccolo has many advantages" when he doesn't. You can reply if you wish, but it's clear anything I have to say, unless directly negative, means absolutely nothing to you.

And instead of bringing the whole "chat ss" into light in a random thread, how about my wall instead. Seems more appropriate than throwing it into something that will draw attention, no?
 
Yes. You made it pretty blunt that you seem to have a problem differing between a contradictory opinion of yours and actual wanking. It causes you to either intentionally or unintentionally believe that what the other person sais has to be wanking.

This leads you to put words and statements in your debate partners mouth which he never stated, to supposedly convince yourself that there is wank present.

In this very thread I mentioned Regenerationn as one small advantageous trait for piccolo if he gets hit. Never have I ever implied or outright stated that his Regenerationn is either a) limitless or b) works to a greater extent than what was shown

You however insinuated i have done so. It was not a mere misunderstanding but you made this claim in the public chat, causing other users to laugh at this supposed wank from me.

So I ask you again: where do I state that piccolos Regenerationn is limitless? Where do I state he can regenerate more than what he has shown?

I will not drop this matter until I will get an excuse from you since it bypasses any differences in how we view certain tiers, feats, abilities from fictional characters, but concernes us as persons

You made a public claim of me being a wanker, using made-up arguments I never made.

- The other part appears to be a simple misunderstanding in that regard. I said piccolo can fly indefinitely and shoot his ki blasts for however long he want, which is a clear indication of him being in the air and being free to decide when he attacks and when he doesn't. Unless Luft, who has a time window. It is not in any way indicative of him having android like stamina and lol blasting for the entire time. I can see where the misconception stemmed from here, so this case is not the one where I am mad at you.

The first on however is and I am expecting an apology.

-

You accuse me of ignoring points. if I have unintentionally done so I will try to address them, what points exactly do you feel I have not covered in it's entirety? In your post just now you mentioned him being able to air-shock people. Can you give some panels showcasing the range and potency of these attacks? And what do you mean by he "entraps" people with his body?

Lastly, the subjective BIAS towards a verse should never allow us to get so carried away like you have. If you had paid close attention you would have realized that I did not voted in favor of piccolo or against Luffy. My original and up Till now standing point is that "mid diff" is not a correct assessment for a fight where luffy is forced to use gear 4 and has to defeat his opponent in a limited amount of time, as his 3 other gears and the majority of his move Serb are automatically redundant. Somehow this caused you to see red. Hell, even inverse the use of gear4 already qualifies for luffy have a high to extreme diff fight ahead of himself.
 
Considering Raven has made quite the good analysis on the fight, I believe Piccolo is the more likely victor based on everything he has stated.
 
Piccolo's advantages

-Flight

-Maybe better ranger?

-Muh AOE

Luffy's advantages

-Precog

-Limited Clairvoyance

-Higher AP, especially with G4

-Bypassing his Haki is gonna be hard.

Gonna go for Luffy here, simply put.

Raven tho makes some good points.

Kudos tho.
 
@Celestial - While it is time-limited (32 minutes, I was wrong about 25), that's a lot of time considering how fast both characters would be moving even at a low end scale. Even if Luffy somehow can't defeat Piccolo during that time, as of Wholecake, he can continue fighting during the 10 minutes he is without Haki, or for the in-character response, Run. He can still utilize Gear 2nd and 3rd during this time, just not Haki.

@Kinkiest - Don't forget speed boosts being a factor during Speed Equalized. Luffy's got several.
 
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