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Kefla vs Vegito

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This is 3-A Kefla (base, no Ssj or Ssj2)

Kefla: 1 (PaChi2)

Vegito: 7 (Skalt711, Aeyu, Errorsaness, DMB 1, Quantu, ByAsura, TheC2)

Inconclusive: 1 (DatBoyNorbit)
 
If base kefla is stronger than vegito, does that mean that almost all of the Z fighters are stronger than Vegito !
 
He got destroyed by Berserk Kale in Blue, but Post-UI he easily defeated Mastered Berserk Kale using only SSG.
 
LordWhis said:
Since in Ssj she was only equal to him, I doubt that.
Did he even get an upgrade after first UI ?
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After first UI he stomped Kale in God, before that he was being thrashed by her in his Blue form. Go figure.
 
Jobbo said:
He got destroyed by Berserk Kale in Blue, but Post-UI he easily defeated Mastered Berserk Kale using only SSG.
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But he was restraining himself to ssj2 levels.

As for ssj1 kefla, She fought evenly with regular ssb and got a lucky hit on kkssb Goku.
 
Base kelfa stomped God Goku.

Idk how high the jump from God to Blue is, but it cannot be that high, therefore me saying that she is slightly below Blue. And then SSj Kefla > SSB.
 
After first UI he stomped Kale in God, before that he was being thrashed by her in his Blue form. Go figure.

Goku was holding back to ssj2 levels.
 
Base kelfa stomped God Goku.

Idk how high the jump from God to Blue is, but it cannot be that high, therefore me saying that she is slightly below Blue. And then SSj Kefla > SSB.
 
Goku was doing better against SSJ Kefla with Blue than he was against Base with God, so the gap between the forms is likely colossal, especially since Champa said Kefla received a much bigger boost than normal SSJs.
 
Jobbo said:
He got destroyed by Berserk Kale in Blue, but Post-UI he easily defeated Mastered Berserk Kale using only SSG.
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He only realised a bit more energy than SS2. He even said that. Also that was Broly homage... And he was not destroyed at all. He didn't even had scratches.

Sorry but Base Kefla is just above SSG Goku and that's that. Goku was tired too. If she was much above she wouldn't even SSJ against SSB.
 
When base kefla stomped ssg, I just came to the conclusion that we had been underestimating the ssg and Ssb gap this whole time which to be fair we were even if we assume base kefla and Ssb Goku were equals because before this I bet nobody would have said that ssb would stomp ssg.

Edit: Jobbo has already said this.
 
"He only realised a bit more energy than SS2" I honestly remember it being said different can someone link back to where Goku said this =P
 
Mmmm... How strong is Episode 114/115/116 Base Goku (Without any transformations or Kaioken) compared to Episode 71 Base Goku? The only thing that I know is that Episode 71 Goku is 10 times stronger than Episode 39 Goku. Is there any major training between Episode 39 and Episode 71?
 
Stryk3r1337 said:
I don't understand how Base Caulifla and Kale are >>>>>Base Goku and Vegeta in the Black arc.
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1) Dragon Ball Super has major holes when it comes to powerscaling... Unless characters are always tiring/suppressing.

2) Goku has got some training between Episode 66 and Episode 114/115/116. Also, he's got stronger after breaking the limits in Episode 110, but I can't say how strong he has become... Spirit Bomb is: 1) Usually far stronger compared to Kamehameha; 2) Is fairly strong this time because of Gohan, Piccolo, Android 17, Android 18, Tien, Krillin, Frieza and Roshi giving Goku energy, especially Android 17 and 18 because their power source is practically limitless/rapidly recovering it's fuel.

3) Not sure how strong are Caulifia and Kale.
 
I would say that SSB Vegito is still stronger than base Kefla. Still I need to know how much Son Goku has become stronger after breaking his limits.

SSB Goku Kaioken x20 before breaking his limits is still fodder compared to Jiren. Universe 7's Spirit Bomb is also fodder compared to Jiren... kind of. Why I wrote 'kind of'? Seems like Jiren has forced to use more power when he's pushing Spirit Bomb, who's pushed by SSB Goku Kaioken x20 than when he fought Ultra Instinct Omen Goku for the first time... Well, not sure.

Surely Spirit Bomb has dealt extreme damage to Son Goku. I don't think that Goku's normal Kamehameha is able to deal this amount of damage; it's not even close to Universe 7's Spirit Bomb. Not afraid to say that Spirit Bomb is at very least 10x stronger than Goku's normal Kamehameha.

Seems like Goku has become at least 5x stronger after breaking his limits for the first time. Now I'll presume that tired Goku is 2x weaker than usual aka full power. Not afraid to say that Episode 114/115/116 Goku is at least 10x stronger stronger than Episode 66 Goku. Episode 66 SSB Vegito is at least 20x stronger than Episode 66 Goku, but I can be wrong because creators have shown him to be weaker than 20x Episode 66 Goku.

I'll presume that SSB Vegito is at most comparable to full power Episode 114 SSB Goku, likely much weaker.

I'm voting for Vegito... Of course if Vegito will do it in time.

If there was Super Saiyan + Berserk Kefla, then I could vote for Kefla.

(Yes, DBS's powerscaling is poorly made)
 
Its pretty sad to see here comparison of Vegito Blue with BASE Kefla. In other places, Vegito is considered superior than her SS2 form. DBS powerscaling is poor but previous established logic about the Potara is not that much...
 
Aeyu said:
Vegetto should handily take this by means of being leagues above Vegeta and Goku individually. The only and chief reason Vegetto isn't Low 2-C is because a lack of statements/feats.
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To back up your point, Matt, who implemented the discussion rule about Vegito afaik, said that he personally agrees to a Low 2-C rating but he can't upgrade him due to lack of statements and feats.
 
Stryk3r1337 said:
Aeyu said:
Vegetto should handily take this by means of being leagues above Vegeta and Goku individually. The only and chief reason Vegetto isn't Low 2-C is because a lack of statements/feats.
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To back up your point, Matt, who implemented the discussion rule about Vegito afaik, said that he personally agrees to a Low 2-C rating but he can't upgrade him due to lack of statements and feats.
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It wouldn't be too farfetched for Zamasu (LOJ) and Vegito Blue to be Low 2C... But I understand Matt's point...
 
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