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Bill vs Arceus

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The difference between Arceus and Bill is literally infinity.

Unless we're talking restricted Bill here, in which Arceus stomps.
 
Arceus out haxes though

I mean, either could stop. I just don't know which
 
Arceus's shit won't affect a 2-A, it's never been shown to affect 2-As, which are literally infinitely above him.

Granted, Bill's shit has never been shown to affect 2-Bs (Though it most likely could), so it'll come back to AP which Bill has in spades.
 
I think the OP wants to see if a weak 2A can lose to a strong 2B

To which not really, however 2Bs with good survivability can stalemate.
 
Arceus's shit won't affect a 2-A, it's never been shown to affect 2-As, which are literally infinitely above him.

Both are 4-D, so this is incorrect.
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
Arceus's shit won't affect a 2-A, it's never been shown to affect 2-As, which are literally infinitely above him.
Granted, Bill's shit has never been shown to affect 2-Bs (Though it most likely could), so it'll come back to AP which Bill has in spades.
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Actually, Arceus does have 4d hax, which mens it will work on 2-A's
 
Don't see any resurrection or strong regen on Arceus's profile.

Really the only 2-B that can stalemate Bill are both Frisk and Chara.

And Shin Megami Tensei pricks.
 
Lemme point to Bill vs. Asriel

Asriel's stuff has only been shown to affect 2-Bs, so it didn't work there.

What makes Arceus so different?
 
What makes everyone different is that our rules dictate that, as long as they are on the same dimensional level, it will work.

The Asriel match is outdated if that's the case.
 
Either way, I don't see Arceus affecting a being where the difference is literally infinity.

Bill might be weak, but he ain't that weak that he'd lose to a person who is literally infinitely below him.
 
Also doesn't Bill have type 4?

Doesn't that mean he sits on a higher place than Arceus in the god things, idk I never got how type 4 works.

But what's stopping Bill from snapping his fingers and one-shotting Arceus?
 
Thought based hax

Type 9 that requires destruction of the multiverse to bypass
 
Well, if Bill is a threat to the infinite multiverse, I'm pretty sure he can bypass the type 9, since the Pokemon multiverse is finite.

Thought based hax, thought they needed atleast a one and a half second to use the move, eh.

I'll stay out of this for now. If Bill loses this then he is ******* fodder, more then he already is anyways.
 
Based of these profiles on this site, Bill has my vote via reasons above by Edward. Just because Arceus has far better hax it doesn't mean he can affect something infinitely above him. That has never been shown in Pokemon, so without making assumptions Bill would win
 
TheArsenal1212 said:
Based of these profiles on this site, Bill has my vote via reasons above by Edward. Just because Arceus has far better hax it doesn't mean he can affect something infinitely above him. That has never been shown in Pokemon, so without making assumptions Bill would wi
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Sorry for off-topic a bit, but yet Kirby still haxstomps Goku and Goku is infinitely stronger than Kirby. So there's no reason that Arceus's haxes can't affect Bill.
 
@TheArsenal Arceus' hax can affect Bill because Bill is a 3D being with 4D power. Even if Bill were 4D it wouldn't matter, only if Bill were 5D (or above) he would be infinitely superior to Arceus and thus unaffected by his hax. Otherwise a hax does what it does best; ignores durability.
 
Eficiente said:
@TheArsenal Arceus' hax can affect Bill because Bill is a 3D being with 4D power. Even if Bill were 4D it wouldn't matter, only if Bill were 5D (or above) he would be infinitely superior to Arceus and thus unaffected by his hax. Otherwise a hax does what it does best; ignores durability.
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Bill isn't 3D with 4D hax. He's clearly 4D. The only reason someone would assume him being 3D was by being hurt by Mabel's spray can and other similar events in the Wierdmaggedon Trilogy. Both those are clearly PIS, similar to the Arceus and the meteor.

Multiversal+ is infinitely above Multiversal, so being 4D doesn't matter when Bill's power is infinitely above him. If they could affect him then yes Arceus stomps but it shouldn't.
 
the point where hax fail is MORE then infinity, as dimensional difference makes someone hurting a higher D character like a cartoon hurting you.

being 4d is much more then being 3d
 
TheArsenal1212 said:
Bill isn't 3D with 4D hax. He's clearly 4D.
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Yea, Ford was still be able to shake hand with him, that proves he doesn't have 4-D body.

Also you didn't read the whole discussion didn't you? Hax > AP unless shown otherwise as Kep said upthere.

If you said Arceus's haxes shouldn't work on Bill then I suppose Kirby's haxes shouldn't work on Goku either.

And sorry if you find me rude.
 
Yea, Ford was still be able to shake hand with him, that proves he doesn't have 4-D body.

Also you didn't read the whole discussion didn't you? Hax > AP unless shown otherwise as Kep said upthere.

If you said Arceus's haxes shouldn't work on Bill then I suppose Kirby's haxes shouldn't work on Goku either.

And sorry if you find me rude.


The whole show has PIS. He shouldn't be able to shake Bill's hand but by this logic we can say Superman shouldn't be able to touch Mr Mxy. No Pokemon in the games should be able to touch Arceus, but even though it's a game mechanic He is clearly 4D but the show doesn't really go by these rules constantly

I did read it, but what I'm suggesting is Arceus hasn't used hax to someone with Bill's power before. But I do believe now Arceus would beat Bill. It seems likely his hax could affect him so I'll change my vote
 
Mxy holds back with Sups, random Pokemon fighting Arceus is PIS. "Power" and tier determine nothing against durability negation, only dimensions. We don't need to provide evidence of Bill not being 4D, you need to provide evidence of him being 4D.
 
Eficiente said:
Mxy holds back with Sups, random Pokemon fighting Arceus is PIS. "Power" and tier determine nothing against durability negation, only dimensions. We don't need to provide evidence of Bill not being 4D, you need to provide evidence of him being 4D.
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What's your vote?
 
Eficiente said:
Mxy holds back with Sups, random Pokemon fighting Arceus is PIS. "Power" and tier determine nothing against durability negation, only dimensions. We don't need to provide evidence of Bill not being 4D, you need to provide evidence of him being 4D.
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Him literally having the power to threaten an infinite multiverse means he has to be 4D. You can't be 3D to have this power, and this power is clearly attack potency not hax, so he must be 4D

Obviously Mr Mxy was holding back. I'm just saying that his argument is that Bill is 3D because Ford could shake his hand. I'm saying it doesn't mean anything since Superman can physically touch Mr Mxy despite he being 5D. Yes I know it's game mechanics and PIS with pokemon I was just using them as examples
 
>Him literally having the power to threaten an infinite multiverse means he has to be 4D. You can't be 3D to have this power, and this power is clearly attack potency not hax, so he must be 4D

False. You ca have 4D power and a 3D body. That's like saying that a 2D damaging a 3D must be a 3D, when we can clearly see that it has a 2D body. The things you can destroy don't determine your dimensions.

I don't know about Arceus but we definitely have statements of Mxy being 5D+holding back with Sups+Joker using his power to destroy the multiverse, it is clearly a wrong equialization.
 
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