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Simon vs Othinus

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AquaWaifu

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With the top tiers of TTGL now being High 1-C....lets go.

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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Simon_the_Digger


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BATTLE CONDITIONS/RULES:

Speed equalized

Both are High 1-C

Both are in-character.

Battle takes place in a transparent floating tetrakis hexhedron in a pocket universe, starting distance is 500 meters.

BFR is restricted. Win via any other method.

No knowledge or preptime.
 
Othinus probability manipulation is insane. She can turn literally infinite possibilities into "100% victory". And is pretty much in character for her to spam this and reality destruction.
 
1 possibility of 0% turning into 100% isn't the same as literally infinite (Bad or Good) possibilities being turned into 100%.

The Magic Gods are pretty much based on that.
 
I don't think reactive evolution works with any of them. When your existence is just being erased from reality, there is nothing to adapt to. As long as everything Othinus has is 100% Success, she shouldn't be beatable by anyone without similar qualities, thus being able to change possibilities from 0% to 100% actively isn't enough for it isn't the same of being passively favoured with this.

Othinus wins, but I believe there would be quite a fight before she explores a possibility Simon hasn't and finishes him off.

Also, Othinus might as well finish the fight by metaphysically erasing the concept of Simon himself along with the reality he's in. Is Simon's Regenerationn High-Godly or above? Not that she can't possibly force him into simply no longer being so long as he doesn't combo True Godly Regenerationn with Immortality of type 5, 9 or 10.
 
Just saw this on her profile:

Endless possibilities: As a Magic God, Othinus has almost absolute power. As such, all possibilities are open for her power. But that produces an omnipotence paradox, because all possibilities also include negative possibilities, like losing against a weak opponent. This paradox produces a situation which severely weakens Othinus because her absolute power only works 50% of the time. If she lands on the negative side of the infinite possibilities, she can also receive a form of backlash, hurting herself.

So....does this just not matter at all in this fight?
 
That was before getting Gungnir in which she has in this key.

So she is safe
 
AquaWaifu said:
Ok this is starting to sound like some seriosu WANK of Othinus.
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Why so? :V

I don't personally think this is a "No Limits Fallacy". The Magical Gods in To Aru are structured around their infinite possibilities, and even their weaknesses come from needing to house inside them all infinite possibilities in order to have their powers, being at the same time High 1-C and weaker than an ant. However, via obtaining Gungnir she bends such possibilities for her own favour, thus obtaining said "One Hundred Percent Success", for all possibilities are housed by and controlled by her.

This isn't NLF, more like a description of how Othinus's powers work. The fact she is passively the house of "One Hundred Percent Success" in all she tries and incapable of suffering failure under the hands of anything weaker than her High 1-C power level (in other words, only countably infinite High 1-C characters or Low 1-B and above would have the power and "more possibilities" than her in order to surpass her, or perhaps would someone even further haxed, or would not if 1-B but somehow otherwise almost haxless). I believe Simon's probability manipulation could actively be used to block her attempts to instakill him, alongside with metaphysics manipulation and other stuff to create efficient attacks and tank her off.

But I believe that after a lot of serious and bloodlusted fight had occurred, Othinus would be the first to find something her opponent cannot counter and kill him, all thanks to her own forms of immortality and Regenerationn, and due to her passive "100% Victory" protection and passsive-active probability manipulation making it ridiculously hard to kill her (her "probabilities" are pretty much a metaphysical property).
 
You should remember Othinus's probability manipulation isn't about "oh, I'll make this possible event more likely" but about "oh, this possibility is conceivable, so I have 100% success in being able to do it". She is not at the same level as your average probability bender. She can time travel and cause BFR in the same way Simon does, also, she is able to copy it if she sees (she is done it with magic, and in theory should be able to do it in any imaginable way for she can just access the possibility).

So, answering you, she does have BFR and time travel even if they aren't listed. I don't think the arrogance is anything less than deserved here, given she should end up beating him after some rough effort which would probably seem "fun" to her.
 
No unless she has shown to do it before she doesnt have it. Or there is signifcant reason to suspect she WOULD use it in character despite never having done it before
 
Because she is said to do that.


Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

He could not win by fighting normally.

Just as the eyepatch-wearing girl had said, there was too great a difference between the basic specs of a human and a god.

Any external stimuli from Kamijou Touma or a third party could never defeat that monster.
 
About the inifinte posdibilities


"Do you think a mere failure can stand before a pure Magic God?" spat out Othinus.

"No, I don't think I can win. If I could, I would have killed you long ago. I will abstain from killing you as long as I have no means of doing so. That's all there is to it."

"…So you've come to be killed by me?"

"It isn't that either. You know that. You may be a Magic God, but you are not perfect. Or rather, you are too perfect and that gives you a troublesome characteristic. You know that and that is why you have put together this exaggerated plan to free you from that dilemma."

"…"

"Infinite possibilities sounds good, but that gives you both the possibility of success and the possibility of failure. I suppose it's something like matter and antimatter. For everything, you must hold the possibility for success and the possibility for failure. No matter how much power you gather, you have a 50/50 chance. If you think of it like Russian roulette, it's like taking a shot with three bullets loaded. Let's be honest, Othinus. While you possess the power to destroy the world, you also have a 50% chance of losing to a child in a game of rock-paper-scissors. It's almost a miracle that Kamijou Touma has lost twice. His misfortune must really be something. But given this condition, you cannot just wield your full power at random. You want to find a way to control those possibilities. Wanting to increase your possibilities for victory is natural, but when your possibilities for failure increase too, you need to find some way of dealing with that. 50/50 is the most troublesome of all."
 
@AquaWaifu

As SchroKatze said, Othinus powers as a magic god with Gungnir are all literally based on her probability manipulation. She is using it all the time to use her abilities and at the same time offset the effects of the Fairy spell trying to bring her at 0% possibilities of success. And though Mand21 is wanking some of her abilities (she can copy Toaru magic spells because as a Magic God she knows everything about Toaru's brand of magic and thus has no issue replicating spells based on it. It would not work on other verses' stuff. Also, ignore everything said above about "metaphysically erasing concepts"), she can time travel, which could also counters a BFR based on time banishing, which is even restricted in the OP anyways so why bring it up?

Side-note, trying to claim Othinus basic power is NLF and not used in character while at the same time arguing for Simon using abilities that his own page only adds as a "maybe" because he's stronger than the actual character with those abilities (which only works on some verses) is a bit silly. Othinus is stronger than 99% of Toaru characters and arguing she has all the abilities of those weaker than her via powerscaling would be ridiculous.

Not that anything I've said matters because you haven't equalized speed, so Simon blitzes horribly.
 
They basically blow up an 11-D spatio-temporal construct by moving. Othinus never showed this and is a lot weaker, so she doesn't scale.
 
Also, Othinus will destroy reality over and over just to torture or even kill Simon. And she did it as her first action after obtaining Gungnir.
 
If Othinus's powers have a 50%-50% chance of working in her favor, Simon's probablity manipulation pushing against it is not going to go we-


Wait a second.


"Mathmatics manpulation."


Oh heck no.
 
I'm just giving a bit of input on the abilities of Othinus. I'll skip on voting for now, I'm not fully sure who has the advantage here so I'd like to see more arguments for both sides. Besides, speed is not equalized and some of Mand21's arguments are invalid.
 
SchroKatze said:
@DMUA, the 50/50 is just without Gungnir. With Gungnir, she is 100/0
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How exactly is this fair for Simon in any way if she has a 100% chance of winning?
 
Voting Othinus FRA.

Anyway even Simon get upgraded to 1-C,i don't think he has a chance agaisnt Another tier 1 character like ZeedMillenniummon and freacking Demonbane.
 
SchroKatze said:
Also, Othinus will destroy reality over and over just to torture or even kill Simon. And she did it as her first action after obtaining Gungnir.
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Actually Simon can survive this, Anti Spiral did something similar with Extradimensional labyrinth.

Anti Spiral vs Othinus might be a better matchup
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
Voting Othinus FRA.
Anyway even Simon get upgraded to 1-C,i don't think he has a chance agaisnt Another tier 1 character like ZeedMillenniummon and freacking Demonbane.
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also what yeah no duh he wouldnt, those two are some of the strongest in their tiers.
 
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