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Simon vs Othinus
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Seriously this "all possibilties are possible" thing is getting on my nerves
Bottom line if a character has high level probability manipulation, if they dont show themselves or imply by their own statements or other statements that they've done or can do a specific something you cant just say "Well they can do literally anything since ANYTHING falls under probability."
Othinus has never copied powers afaik, so no you cant use that in an argument here. It MIGHT...might be possible but even that its a nlf stretch and also would not be incharacter at all from what said character has shown.
Bottom line if a character has high level probability manipulation, if they dont show themselves or imply by their own statements or other statements that they've done or can do a specific something you cant just say "Well they can do literally anything since ANYTHING falls under probability."
Othinus has never copied powers afaik, so no you cant use that in an argument here. It MIGHT...might be possible but even that its a nlf stretch and also would not be incharacter at all from what said character has shown.
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Simon wins. Making probabilities that have 0% of happening become true is literally the Dai-Gurren Way and part of the Spiral Power, and Simon killed the Anti-Spiral a reality warper who is just as strong as Othinus if not far more so with ease.
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And that's not through statements. An in-verse supercomputer literally calculated Team Dai-Gurren's chances of victory at 0% and they won through Spiral Power. It's a demonstrably true power they have.
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She doesn't have a better control over reality and probability than the Anti-Spiral, not in 10,000 years.
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so let me get this straight, ( I forgot to intially counter this) You're saying that unless someone has TRUE GODLY REGEN and type 10 immortality, a thing that is for the most part restricted to tier 1-As outside of a comparitive few exceptions she can kill them?Mand21 said:
You're essentially saying you have to be 1-A to beat this High 1-C character.
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@Matthew, Othinus works by converting literally infinite possibilities to her will. Turning 0% into 100% is the most basic thing to her.
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Othinus should take this for the reasons stated above.
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Before you say "NLF", Magic Gods are based on that "infinite possibilities". I sent the scans a few comments above
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AquaWaifu said:
Okay, maybe I exaggerated (given Othinus is herself beaten by another 1-C guy or perhaps lower because it was more like a hax), but how do you escape such kind of erasure? Othinus did demonstrate to be able to instantly destroy the world just because she wanted, by doing something akin to setting its "it exists: true/false" variable from true to false. This is pretty much a conceptual thing (she didn't manipulate the universe into being erased, but more like changed its conceptual state), so what prevents her from doing this to individual people? I mean, she has shown to be able to erase people alongside with the reality they live in.
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Not voting, but IMO either Simon wins for Matt's reasons or Othinus stomps
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And considering that Matt's reasoning is the Equivalent of Nords never back down from a fight..........
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However, I also don't quite buy the "infinite possibilities" thing, so I can't tell who exactly wins
However, I also don't quite buy the "infinite possibilities" thing, so I can't tell who exactly wins
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I'll say this. I'm one of the biggest Gurren Lagann fanboys you'll find on this planet. I'm so bad that I legitimately prefer it over Cowboy Bebop (Although it's a very small gap, as I still really like Cowboy Bebop).
This thread is the equivalent of having The Ruler of the Universe fighting a universe buster. That's the kind of gap here.
This thread is the equivalent of having The Ruler of the Universe fighting a universe buster. That's the kind of gap here.
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This reminds me of that I should finally watch Cowboy Bebop ovo
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C O N T E X TDMUA said:
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Mand has a point.
A Magic God warps reality via creating a new "Phase" over the current reality. Othinus didn't exactly destroy reality, she created the destruction of reality via RW.
A Magic God warps reality via creating a new "Phase" over the current reality. Othinus didn't exactly destroy reality, she created the destruction of reality via RW.
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I used to have my vote as the third for Simon, but now I'm swapping it in Othinus's favor, okay, guys?~ So, if no new vote has been given towards any of them from since the last count (that put Simon 3 vs Othinus 4), Othinus has five votes against two votes for Simon. I think there are now enough reasons to believe Othinus's RW and PM are stronger.
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Othinus for reasons above. Nothing else to really add.
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>Eye Patch girl apparently has infinite probability manipulation
>Simon and crew broke out of the infinite multiverse labryinth with a 0% chance of doing so
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>Simon and crew broke out of the infinite multiverse labryinth with a 0% chance of doing so
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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Technically Simon's probability manip affected others too. His team + Anti-Spiral's. :^)
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Infinite < Infinite
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Not seeing how Patchy's prob manip is qualitatively or quantitatively superior. mhmhmhmhhm
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Simon affected AS's probability in his own realm
Affected his own
Affected his team's
In an infinite maze of 0% possibilities
In a 1v1 battle, Simon only needs to affect his own probability
wyd
Affected his own
Affected his team's
In an infinite maze of 0% possibilities
In a 1v1 battle, Simon only needs to affect his own probability
wyd
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Well, for the probability debate it is basically a character that can make a 0% possibility happen (just 0% or also impossible btw.? Cause things with 0% probability are not necessarily impossible) vs a character for which no possibility had a 0% probability to begin with. I find it hard to compare.
I ask myself why probability manipulation is the center here, though.
In my opinion and the level of high level reality warpers that make proper use of their reality warping, like Othinus does (maybe Simon as well, no idea), reality warping is way more central then probability manipulation.
That is because probability is basically eliminated the moment the fight starts. A reality warper, that uses its power well, will just take absolute control over its surroundings and by doing that eliminate probability.
Once all things that happen in the universe are a direct product of the fighters powers there is basically no randomness.
God doesn't play dice and neither do those with godly powers, or not?
Changing the laws of math and nature, seems to be a more important ability, in any case.
All of that said unless Simon is one of the characters where combat speed isn't indicative of reaction time, because of giant robots and stuff, Othinus is speed blitzed and hence looses.
I ask myself why probability manipulation is the center here, though.
In my opinion and the level of high level reality warpers that make proper use of their reality warping, like Othinus does (maybe Simon as well, no idea), reality warping is way more central then probability manipulation.
That is because probability is basically eliminated the moment the fight starts. A reality warper, that uses its power well, will just take absolute control over its surroundings and by doing that eliminate probability.
Once all things that happen in the universe are a direct product of the fighters powers there is basically no randomness.
God doesn't play dice and neither do those with godly powers, or not?
Changing the laws of math and nature, seems to be a more important ability, in any case.
All of that said unless Simon is one of the characters where combat speed isn't indicative of reaction time, because of giant robots and stuff, Othinus is speed blitzed and hence looses.
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