SCP-682 vs. Nicol Bolas

Jinsye · Jan 21, 2018

Speed Equalized if nessecary.

Low 2-C on death is restricted.

Neowalker Bolas vs. 4-A 682

Nicol Bolas: 0

SCP-682: 0

Inconclusive: 7

Sir_Ovens · Jan 21, 2018

Bolas is Emperor level. He destroys 682.

Schnee_One · Jan 21, 2018

Nicol Bolas can absorb Mid Godly regenerators, don't see how he doesn't win here.

WeeklyBattles · Jan 21, 2018

Absorbing 682 is not a good idea

Hl3_or_bust · Jan 21, 2018

judging by how 682 reacts to literally everything, i wouldimagine that abosrbing him is the last thing you would want to do.

C2_of_Omegon · Jan 21, 2018

Bolas is honestly better off trying to Power Null 682 and honestly, I'd doubt he'd try to absorb 682. Bolas would more than likely want it for study if anything else.

WeeklyBattles · Jan 21, 2018

682 resists power null

C2_of_Omegon · Jan 21, 2018

WeeklyBattles said:
682 resists power null

I saying that in comparison to others saying that Bolas will just absorb SCP-682, that power null would be the more viable tactic given 682's history. I wasn't trying to use it to make a case for Bolas.

Now, if I tried to make a case, the only thing I honestly see working is Bolas trying to erase 682 out of existence but I don't know how potent his Existence Erasure is...

KinkiestSins · Jan 22, 2018

Always wanted Weekly vs Azzy ovo

Hl3_or_bust · Jan 22, 2018

TheC2 said:
I don't know how potent his Existence Erasure is...

unless he has existence erasure on the level of the GEOM, he can't do shit, since, from what i can tell, there is no other character with existence erasure even remotely comparable to his....... that probably won't help him.

C2_of_Omegon · Jan 22, 2018

Hl3 or bust said:
TheC2 said:

I don't know how potent his Existence Erasure is...

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unless he has existence erasure on the level of the GEOM, he can't do shit, since, from what i can tell, there is no other character with existence erasure even remotely comparable to his....... that probably won't help him.

I can say right now, that it's not.

The reason that Bolas tied with E-Money (a.k.a. GEoM) is because both had methods of getting rid of each other (Exile for Bolas, Erasure for GEoM) that were equally viable against one another.

However, 682 is resistant to BFR and Magic. So really, I don't see Bolas coming out on top. Now the question is could 682 do anything to Bolas.

Cuz if not, this is inconclusive.

Jinsye · Jan 26, 2018

Jinsye · Jan 27, 2018

Jinsye · Jan 30, 2018

DMUA · Jan 30, 2018

I think inconclusive for reasons above.

Ricsi-viragosi · Jan 30, 2018

682 by bolas going for absorb eventualy

Serpent_of_the_Internet_97 · Jan 30, 2018

Bolas has precognition

EliminatorVenom · Jan 30, 2018

How good is SCP-682 power null resistance?

I mean, power nullification is basic Black and Blue Magic stuff, and Bolas is ridiculously above 98% of the people who use such magic. Not only that, but Bolas can null power nullification.

In any case, either Bolas wins by killing SCP-682 and nulling its regen or it is inconclusive. Even if 682 can resist all of it somehow, Bolas has multiple ways to keep himself alive.

KinkiestSins · Jan 30, 2018

EliminatorVenom said:
I mean, power nullification is basic Black and Blue Magic stuff, and Bolas is ridiculously above 98% of the people who use such magic. Not only that, but Bolas can null power nullification.

Since I plan to vote seriously soon, I can vouch for this.

Blue magic with spells like Cancel, Counterspell or Redirect allow for magic reflection and power nullification.

Considering he schooled Jace on Mind Magic, which is also in blue, it is very likely he can probably just nullify powers.

EliminatorVenom · Jan 30, 2018

A looong time ago I've made a blog (In another wiki) about Magic's most stupidly overpowered spells and cards if we applied them to VS-debating rules.

I vividly recall cards that could insta-kill and nullified Regenerationn and ressurrection, and a specific Black card that nullified nullifications. It was even a Nicol Bolas-themed one.

KinkiestSins · Jan 30, 2018

EliminatorVenom said:
I vividly recall cards that could insta-kill and nullified Regenerationn and ressurrection, and a specific Black card that nullified nullifications. It was even a Nicol Bolas-themed one.

I had a small discussion with Azzy regarding this.

Generally speaking

Blue Magic = Power Nullification, Mind Manipulation, Time Manipulation

Black Magic = Death Manipulation, Existence Erasure (I think...?), Mind Break (basically a more brutal blue magic when it comes to haxing the mind.), Fear Manipulation

Red Magic = ... fire magic? There really isnt much here lol. Although Bolas doesnt have this, Red Magic does have access to Probability Manipulation with a few cards.

I dont know SCP that well, I think it might just be inconclusive, there is too many factors and they both can one shot eachother.

WeeklyBattles · Jan 30, 2018

682 innately resists magic as well

Ricsi-viragosi · Jan 30, 2018

how good is precognition for bolas? can he resist hes own magic? (scp does tends to copy abilities used on him)

Serpent_of_the_Internet_97 · Jan 30, 2018

Bolas's precog works in that every action he makes, he can see a portion of the futures that would come out of said action and if he desires one of the said futures he can access it, he can also resist his own magic yes.

Ricsi-viragosi · Jan 30, 2018

but how far into the future?

if he can predict what absorption does and can resist hes spells than inconclusive

Serpent_of_the_Internet_97 · Jan 30, 2018

Bolas would see the consequences of what would happen as soon as he begins to perform the spell, though this would likely give him enough time to either access a future where he didn't perform it, or cancel it altogether

Ricsi-viragosi · Jan 30, 2018

Serpent of the Internet 97 said:
Bolas would see the consequences of what would happen as soon as he begins to perform the spell, though this would likely give him enough time to either access a future where he didn't perform it, or cancel it altogether

but how far into the future? it takes quiet a bit for 682s post absorption to show its effects

EliminatorVenom · Jan 30, 2018

Again, how powerful is 682's magic resistance?

Nicol is waaaaay beyond people who are waaaay beyond already powerful spellcasters.

Ricsi-viragosi · Jan 30, 2018

EliminatorVenom said:
Again, how powerful is 682's magic resistance?
Nicol is waaaaay beyond people who are waaaay beyond already powerful spellcasters.

depends, he can be hurt by it, but much like cthulhu, hes body is like hair, you can cut it, but you aint killing him that way

EliminatorVenom · Jan 30, 2018

Also, I'll mention the most notable spells for this battle.

RED MAGIC

Panic Attack: Makes up to three creatures unable to block attacks.
Flamebreak: A fiery storm, causing damage that can't be regenerated in the same turn.

BLUE MAGIC

Vanishing: Space-time insta-BFR.
Time and Tide: Another of the space-time insta-BFR (And also BFR nullification) series.

I won't even mention regular nullification powers nor temporal warping. There are just too many.

BLACK MAGIC

Dark Banishing: Insta-kill that negs Regenerationn and ressurrection.
AEther Snap: Nullifies nullifications.
Blood Reckoning: If the enemies tries to attack, he'll receive damage.
Terror: Basically the same as Dark Banishing except it doesn't works in Black creatures/artifacts.

EliminatorVenom · Jan 30, 2018

Ricsi-viragosi said:
depends, he can be hurt by it, but much like cthulhu, hes body is like hair, you can cut it, but you aint killing him that way

Bolas can erase people and nullify their regenerative powers, BFR them across time and space and even nullify nullifications. I don't recall 682 ever facing a magician of this level.

Sir_Ovens · Jan 30, 2018

It's actually quite useless trying to kill the lizard, because it isn't even the lizard you have to kill. You have to kill the 1-B being that's using the damn lizard like a puppet. As I've said before, like only 2 or 3 characters can actually pull that off.

Ricsi-viragosi · Jan 30, 2018

682 is resictence to all the powers you just named: EliminatorVenom said:
Bolas can erase people and nullify their regenerative powers, BFR them across time and space and even nullify nullifications. I don't recall 682 ever facing a magician of this level.

Sceptilespy · Jan 30, 2018

Bolas FRA

Sir_Ovens · Jan 30, 2018

682 can't be BFRed permanantly. The longest it has gone for is about a few years, and that was when it was BFRed into a Higher-Dimensional plane in which it had no concieveable way of escaping.

Can't erase 682, as he'll just regen from his essence, which is 1-B, and I doubt Bolas has negated regen at this level.

Also 682 was turned into a harmless housecat and still killed an entire MTF squad. So good luck nullifying it.

EliminatorVenom · Jan 30, 2018

@Ricsi

I've said it several times already: Resistance does not equal immunity. Until said resistance > Bolas' powers, I'm still firm that Nicol overrides 682 resistances. Not only that, but Bolas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who are already beyond most things I recall 682 facing (Not all, but most). Also, 682 never faced anyone who can void nullifications.

@Ovens

That is indeed true. What I want to know is if 682 can resist Bolas' powers. If not, Bolas can basically BFR him across space-time while negging his powers to come back.

Tbh I think that 682's immortality (As in, can't die until 1-B being is killed) should be denied unless specified otherwise by the OP. It makes most fights with it utterly unfair due to the fact that 99% of the beings capable of fighting it can't destroy a 1-B entity, but I digress.

Sir_Ovens · Jan 30, 2018

Apparently we have a rule against higher dimensional immortality, but not for beings that are literally higher dimensional trapped in a 3-D body.

Kaltias · Jan 30, 2018

Sir Ovens said:
Also 682 was turned into a harmless housecat and still killed an entire MTF squad. So good luck nullifying it.

That's resistance to transmutation, not power null

WeeklyBattles · Jan 30, 2018

@Eliminator No, Bolas cant bfr him

EliminatorVenom · Jan 30, 2018

Sir Ovens said:
682 can't be BFRed permanantly. The longest it has gone for is about a few years, and that was when it was BFRed into a Higher-Dimensional plane in which it had no concieveable way of escaping.

Can't erase 682, as he'll just regen from his essence, which is 1-B, and I doubt Bolas has negated regen at this level.

Also 682 was turned into a harmless housecat and still killed an entire MTF squad. So good luck nullifying it.

Huh.

I've adressed that point above, and I agree with that.

Not all nullification powers are in the same level. Bolas is beyond most Black/Blue spellcasters that can already nullify powers, and not only that, he himself can nullify nullifications. And even then... Killing a MTF squad is still little compared to trying to kill Bolas.

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