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Bleach Revision Cont'd

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This thread got long so yet another new one must be made. Discuss.

For those catching up:

Gremmy's calculation is under revision and will be either Large Island Level+ or Country Level. CHECK

The following profiles are impacted

Gremmy (Duh) CHECK

Zaraki (For his fight with Gremmy, B=>A) CHECK

Pernida (Evolving to Zaraki, C=B) CHECK

Nemuri (Smashing Pernida) CHECK

Unohana (Rivaling base Kenpachi) CHECK

God-Size Gerard (Clashing with Shikai Zaraki) CHECK

Adult Toshiro (VS Gerard) CHECK

Ichibei (reiatsu) CHECK

Ichigo (Deicide)

Aizen (Deicide)

  • Jugram, Uryu, and Byakuya are also impacted, but their results will need more discussion since there's no direct connection.*
Toshiro's Island Level+ feat is being downgraded to City+

^All Island Level+ characters will need reevaluation.

Toshiro's Large City+/Mountain+ feat is under consideration (ACCEPTED)

Bankai Yamamoto gets Small country level via every single calculation and approval by knowledgeable memebers, staff, and calc team. The argument for destroying SS has been debunked.

Finally NO DISCUSSION ABOUT 5-B RELATED MATTERS UNTIL THE REST IS SORTED OUT. THIS INCLUDES BUT IS NOT NESACARILY LIMITED TO YHWH, EOS AIZEN, EOS ICHIGO, SIZE OF BLEACH VERSE, AND THE VALIDITY OF A BLEACH MOVIE. Else Pachi will be mad ;-)
 
Anyone has a blog or thread where we are keeping track of all the revisions already done? Pre-timeskip or Post-timeskip
 
Just saying now, no Yhwach stuff for now. We're dealing with that after the Gremmy stuff is taken care of first (and i'd know this because I tried continuing it but got told to wait on it).

Everything else is fair game me thinks.
 
Clarified? IIRC only @Mattew from the staff members agree to it. Among other none-staff members who ironically don't follow the verse. The matter should be left for the Staff only, and of course remove anyone in favor or againts it from voting on the subject.
 
Removing non-staff members sure would get rid of a bunch of people that disagree with you on the subject.
 
Combining the planets means overcoming the GBE of said planets.

Timeframe does not matter. You either can overcome the GBE or you cant. If you have a smaller amount of ap you will be there till the end of time and be no closer to merging the planets. Like trying to push magnets with the same poles facing eachother together it just won't happen.

@Applelord that calc is outdated. KK remade the calc and he got High 6A

@Damage actually it removes nigh every1 who is knowledgable about bleach.
 
Oi, first things first.

Gremmy stuff first. Yhwach stuff second.

So, it seems thst they are becoming 6-B or something like that. Can anyone link the profiles scaled to Gremmy?
 
Lol. Almost exactly where they were originally. Priceless.

Umm Gremmy Yhwach haschwalth Uryu Ichibei Gerard Toshiro Kenpachi Ichigo I think Yamamoto aswell..

EDIT: Aizen to. Wow I forgot Aizen. That may be it
 
After this collosal failure of revisions resulting in 1500+ revision replies for nada we are definitely getting discussion rules on this stuff to stop it from happening again, Yhwach aswell. Its getting old.
 
Damage3245 said:
Removing non-staff members sure would get rid of a bunch of people that disagree with you on the subject.
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As anyone who agrees with were more than those who disagree.
 
AppleLord said:
Why are you posting the character that scale to the meteor? You forgot Byakuya by the way.
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Because PaChi2 said this: "Can anyone link the profiles scaled to Gremmy?"

And thanks: Byakuya Kuchiki
 
How is Ichigo going to be scaled now? Country level Shikai, At Least County Level Hollow Shikai and Planet level Bankai? That's a huge gap between his two forms.
 
Ypu can probably scale Shikai merged hollow ichigo to Yhwachs casual vandenreich feat, so high 6a.

Planet level Bankai and planet level bankai merged hollow
 
Well, the planet-level stuff will be reviewed as a whole after the meteor revision has been completed; as said earlier in the thread.
 
Would Ichigo be the only one scaling to the High 6-A feat from casual Yhwach? I'd argue that Yama should scale with Bankai due to him being the only soul reaper Yhwach didn't want to fight, and statements from himself and Unohana backing up his bankai as life wiping. I'm sure an argument could be made for High 6-A Ichibei as well.
 
Amlad22 said:
How is Ichigo going to be scaled now? Country level Shikai, At Least County Level Hollow Shikai and Planet level Bankai? That's a huge gap between his two forms.
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Ichigo:

  • Shikai: At least Country level via power-scaling (Was stated to have reclaimed the power he used to defeat Aizen by Yhwach and physically held back Yhwach who had his Almighty activated. Also knocked back Yhwach with a Getsuga Tensho)
  • Shikai + Merged Hollow: At least Large or Multi-Continent likely much higher (Clashed with Yhwach and was acknowledged by him, force him to use the Almighty)
  • Bankai + Merged Hollow: Unknwo
  • Bankai: Planet level (Bisected Yhwach on two occasions, was also stated in the Bleach Novel: Can't Fear Your Own World that Ichibe and Shunsui were going to make Ichigo the new Soul King.)
Yhwach has a High 6-A feat on his own casually, it was downgraded from Low 5-C.
 
Damage3245 said:
Well, the planet-level stuff will be reviewed as a whole after the meteor revision has been completed; as said earlier in the thread.
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Already debunked that above though. Theres really no point discussing it further and wasting more time.

@amlad Only merged hollow shikai would be high 6a ichibei and yama absolutely not
 
LordAizenSama said:
Already debunked that above though. Theres really no point discussing it further and wasting more time.

@amlad Only merged hollow shikai would be high 6a ichibei and yama absolutely not
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Since people still have things to say on it, I think it is worth discussing. You can't just say you debunked it before the revision process has begun for it.
 
Damage3245 said:
Since people still have things to say on it, I think it is worth discussing. You can't just say you debunked it before the revision process has begun for it.
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He did debunk what was already said. Other new arguments can be debunk later.
 
Fair enough discuss it if you wish, but ill probably limit my replies. Seeing the trend of these revision threads itl probably take 300 replies to decide the 5B stat stays

Now that I think about it, you are right. Just discuss it, whether they are right and wrong then we can put a rule in for the following.

-Stop making variations of calcs that don't need fixing as it is time co suming and done to death multiple times

-Do not revise Bleachs Godtiers because it is a wornout discussion everyone is sick of
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
And I haven't seen the arguments debunked a single time. I have no idea what manga LAS read, but no GBE was overcome nor any planet physically merged.
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How is Kaguya's ETSB calc accepted if no planet was bust? Can I argue that in revision for all other franchises?
 
Ofc not because it was stopped short. I would ask what manga you are reading but then you don't read Bleach and have limited knowledge on the subject anyway

Merging planets means overcoming GBE. obviously.

No we don't. Kk already recalced it as high 6a using the new scaling and he was one of our best calcers. You are trying your very best to downgrade bleach but relax my man

The rules is to stop people wasting our time with repeatedly debunked and nonsensical answers such as yourself to the point where you had to be told to stay out of bleach revisions.
 
Soul society is a mirror of the earth is it not? Yamamoto being able to life wipe would be a multi continental feat on its own, so scaling to Yhwach shouldn't be impossible.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
We first need a new Calc for whatever Vanderreich thing.
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We already have one from Low 5-C downgraded to High 6-A. You're just looking for the lowest calc possible, so 5-B is demise as an outlier in the worse case scenario that you can debunk it.
 
@Apple Lord and LAS

Kaguya is 5-B for calcs. Naruto has objectively more evidence of Planet level than Bleach. 5-B Bleach requires headcanon and speculation and a deliberate misinterpretation of the cosmology. Which is why more and more and more people are disagreeing with it.

As with the Vanderreich thing, we definitely need further analysis and a re-calc, if possible. We saw what happened with the Gremmy meteor. Can happen again.

And again, stay civil. You repeatedly insult everyone who disagrees with you as stupid or ignorant without ever bringing anything new to the table.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
@Apple Lord and LAS
You repeatedly insult everyone who disagrees with you as stupid or ignorant without ever bringing anything new to the table.
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I was talking about her ETSB, not the moon calc.

If I have insulted you, I require a quote of what I said that was insult. o3o
 
@Mathew claims that Yhwach last attack, is him letting go of the balance of souls. This is impossible and a misinterpretation of the cosmology. The only time its shown happening is when someone with the status of Soul King dies and immediate after the worlds begin to shake and collapse.

Yhwach last attack had his own reiatsu coming out of the ground to the surface. There's also the contradiction of Yhwach creating a new world after which requires GBE. The former existence of the three worlds before the Soul King was "nothingness" so the argument of the worlds becoming a new one afterwards from the manga is speculation on false head-canon contradicted by the novel.

Anything else needs debunking?
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
@Apple Lord and LAS

Kaguya is 5-B for calcs. Naruto has objectively more evidence of Planet level than Bleach. 5-B Bleach requires headcanon and speculation and a deliberate misinterpretation of the cosmology. Which is why more and more and more people are disagreeing with it.

As with the Vanderreich thing, we definitely need further analysis and a re-calc, if possible. We saw what happened with the Gremmy meteor. Can happen again.

And again, stay civil. You repeatedly insult everyone who disagrees with you as stupid or ignorant without ever bringing anything new to the table.
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People disagreed with it because they were listening to your misinformation. Its very, very simple.

To combine planets, one must overcome the GBE of said planets.

Yhwach was merging the planets as one. Profit.

Now your headcanon has ranged from it being a outlier to "merging" being that the planets are now connected, or "merged" via shattering dimensions. Lol.

The Kk calc was already accepted for a long time. Applelord sumd it up.

If I insult you it's probably because you blatantly try downplay and downgrade Bleach when you dont even read the series and you dont know what you are talking about.
 
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