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Bleach Revisions: Continuation

Some of the Fullbringers scale from Lieutenants. So first we should get the 7-C Lieutenant/Fraccion upgrade out of the way.

^ The three weakest Espada also scale from that.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Is there really anything else to discuss?
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Once we get the Ikkaku/Edrad calc evaluated, we can get the scaling of the following characters sorted out:

1. Mayuri

2. Other Lieutenants & Fraccion

3. The three weakest Espada

4. Fullbringers

Once that is done, then the only thing left to do with this revision would be to go around and just touch up the profiles a bit to make sure everything is right.
 
I wonder, shouldn't members of the Schutzstaffel be upgraded to 6-C+? I mean, they're undoubtedly more powerful than Cang Du & Bazz B.
 
Askin was agreed to scale since his Heilig Pfeil can harm characters on Urahara's level plus he should absolutely not be weaker than Robert (who managed to injure Kyoraku) and Bazz-B. The other elite scale from him.

A lot of the profiles that were agreed to scale are still as is. But please understand that Kuuichigo does have a real life and might not be in the best of health. Give it another day.
 
It's a good thing scaling in Bleach isn't as hard on Naruto. In Naruto chakra reserve doesn't equate to Attack potency so scaling is much harder except for top and god tiers.
 
Sorry about that. I'm on the Sternritter now.

Also, we really need to get that Ikkaku calc checked if we want to finish this.

Edit: @Joseph: Yeah. They are usually way below what their calced jutsu gets.
 
Joseph619 said:
It's a good thing scaling in Bleach isn't as hard on Naruto. In Naruto chakra reserve doesn't equate to Attack potency so scaling is much harder except for top and god tiers.
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Yeah, the reiatsu mechanism Kubo developed is nice and easy to understand to anyone familiar with the series. If you put out 'X' level of reiatsu, then you have 'X' level of AP and durability. Nice and simple just like the Ki mechanism in Dragon Ball and Yu Yu Hakusho.
 
@Kuu and Blue: Yes I agree. I was trying to help with Naruto revisions but it will be extremely difficult. Naruto has specifically created battle mechanism so that people with lower chakra reserves are not at disadvantage. Even among groups, like the 5 kage, you can't scale directly except between Tsunade and 4th Raikage who had arm wrestling once.
 
I dont know anything about bleach, probably has been addressed before but just one question.

Do we take the "5 to 10 x power multiplier via bankai" as fact from Yourichi or as hyperbole?

I am fine with the pages now, but just a thought to bring up (didnt have time to keep up with either thread)
 
Soldier Blue said:
By the way, how are we treating Chōjirō Sasakibe? Guy was stated to be Captain level (in both the manga and anime) and his Bankai's reiatsu made Hisagi shit his pants.
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I think personally he should 6-C.

He is still probably comparable to Toshiro and Co.

Plus, having a bankai generally means you are a captain level fighter so I would take it.
 
We don't take it seriously. It conflicts with their feats and the calcs backing up those feats. I have no doubt that their reiatsu itself does increase 5 to 10 fold, but as was discussed twice in the previous thread, AP does not appear to scale linearly with reiatsu increase (like how AP in DB don't scale linearly with power levels).
 
@Kink: I think we take as hyperbole since some of the Bankai are just hax and you really can't use power multiplier to quantify hax.

@Soldier: I never knew he had a profile. I guess you can scale him to the captain.
 
Soldier Blue said:
By the way, how are we treating Chōjirō Sasakibe? Guy was stated to be Captain level (in both the manga and anime) and his Bankai's reiatsu made Hisagi shit his pants.
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I am not sure if he should be scaled to Post Timeskip captains who trained. He should be as strong as Pre Timeskip Hitsugaya at least
 
Sasakibe was one shot by a mid-tier Captain (Soul Society arc Ichigo).

Hitsugaya is in all likelyhood not too far below the likes of Zaraki with Eyepatch and Byakuya. I highly doubt Hitsugaya would be taken out by Byakuya or Ichigo with one punch as was Sasakibe. He did take a glancing Cero blast and also a direct blow from Harribel after all. And Harribel was far superior to Soul Society arc Ichigo in just Shikai.

Just having a Bankai does not make one a Captain level combatant. Just look at Ikkku. He's still only Lieutenant level. And it's highly likely Ikkaku's Bankai is what Yamamoto describes as a "Baby Bankai". And Renji was also not true Captain level (due to his Bankai being a "false" Bankai).
 
Not Jim Sterling said:
His Bankai can damage and leave a scar on Yama.
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Best option would be to scale him to the Town level+ calc and give him Island level+ AP with Bankai only.
 
Soldier Blue said:
Best option would be to scale him to the Town level+ calc and give him Island level+ AP with Bankai only.
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At least Town level+, Possibly Island level with Bankai, how does that sound?
 
Joseph619 said:
At least Town level+, Possibly Island level with Bankai, how does that sound?
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His current profile has "At least 8-A, 7-B with Bankai"

^ That was due to Yamamoto still being 7-B at the time.

Proposed change:

At least 7-C, 6-C with Bankai

^ Everything on his profile will stay the same (the reasoning an all). Only the tiers would change. 8-A would become 7-C and 7-B would become 6-C.
 
Not Jim Sterling said:
Yes since he only slightly damaged Yama, although his current Bankai should be stronger than his past Bankai.
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Yeah, he scarred Yamamoto when his Bankai was still incomplete.

Edit: I would like to add that it was a much younger and much fitter Yamamoto.
 
What about non elite sterniter that are supposed to have reiatsu on captains level? Who they scale from? Females and males if there are any lol.
 
Pretty much all of them are are Island+ except: The Wind who was one-shotted by Senjumaru and The Love who was fodderized by a Zombie Kensei.

The rest should all be comparable or outright superior to: Cang Du who could steal and control Toshiro's Bankai and trained with it (Yhwach stated that you needed to be at least comparable or powerful enough to steal the Bankai), NaNaNa Najahkoop who survived Yamamoto's flames, although it was migated by Bazz-B, Giselle Gewelle who killed Bambietta, although she was weakened from fighting Komamura, and Meninas McAllon who was able to punch Kenpachi, although he to was weakened from fighting Gremmy.

Edit: The Twins are Continent from the calc I posted.
 
Both Bambietta and Kenpachi are in really bad shape, especially Bambietta who is basically close to dying and can't even get up.
 
Okay.

Damn, seeing Yoruichi and Ulqiorra's new stats makes me wanna cry lol

It's soon time to start spamming their matches.

Anyway, about chojiro I agree with soldier.
 
Bambietta I agree, but Kenpachi was still able to fight and even blitz the female Sternritter. The dude is a monster.
 
Pretty sure Kenpachi's character was always considered a monster. I mean his Bankai form kinda confirms it.
 
Going back to the earlier thread YHWH's Almighty does come with a power boost. He obliterated Ichibei with what was called pure power at the end of that chapter.
 
As for Choji he is captain level; no question. Its just captain level has a fair amount of range with most being really really weak by EOS standards. I'd put him at about City block level 2000 years ago, multi-city block afterwards with a matured bankai getting the full ten times boost.
 
Dr.Fix said:
As for Choji he is captain level; no question. Its just captain level has a fair amount of range with most being really really weak by EOS standards. I'd put him at about City block level 2000 years ago, multi-city block afterwards with a matured bankai getting the full ten times boost.
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I don't understand this, why he need new key for his past self 2000 years ago? We doesn't know how strong he is 2000 years ago and why he become multi-city block?
 
Yhwach outhaxed Ichibei. They were also relatively close to eachother in terms of power. The Almighty was never even slightly referenced giving him a power up of any sort.
 
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