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Almighty Weakness

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As flawless as the Almighty seems to be, it display certain moments one would call PIS or CIS but given that there are to many of them we are left with taking them with a grain of salt.

The illusion weakness is already added on his profile, here is a potential list of some of his other weakness.

Can't see future event's unless he is gazing at the target.

Yoruichi caught him off guard, there is a surprise icon on the manga page next to Yhwach. Meaning, he didn't see it coming. She was behind him.

He also didn't saw getting hit by an arrow, Uryu was also behind him after arriving from another dimension.

Got hit from behind again, even do he is suppose to see everything.

People with Stagnation powers can escape the "Almighty" precognition.

He didn't saw Mimihagi coming, because he is immune with his power of stagnation. Which is the power stops development, growth, progress, and change; as it represents stillness, it can prevent whatever that tries to change or develop from happening.

Note: Yhwach absorb Mimihagi and his powers. Yhwach would be immune to precognition below Yhwach's level.

Can't swap a future to the present, unless is between the possible futures.

Couldn't change the future to where Orihime's shield didn't defend Ichigo, because again he wasn't looking at the person, he proceeded to change the future to where the attack landed on him anyway.

Couldn't completely break Ichigo's Bankai a second time, because it was an illusion, it was really from Aizen.

To back this up, Yhwach even says that he can only change his own fate.

Even the MC knows that he can't see everything otherwise he would leave a trap or change the future instead of blocking his attacks.

Discuss away. To stop the NLF we should add this weakness to this character, without exceptions, and discard any option of CIS OR PIS.
 
Shouldn't this be at the Content Revision part?
 
I don't know. Bleach has a lot of revisions ongoing. I just made this to see if people support it or not. You can move it if you think is the right thing to do.
 
Can't do. Me just a chad mod.

On the other hand, most of this looks fine.
 
If Yhwach needs to gaze its target , how come Ichigo slashed him half ? He already gazed him before. Then Almighty's effects have vanished ?

And how did Yhwach come back to life ? He was dead but he rewrite the future where he died and resurrected. I mean if he couldn't see Ichigo slashing him half , how could he rewrite the future ? He should be able to rewrite the future because he already saw the future but he couldn't see Ichigo.(I hope i was able to explain what i wanted.)

How did Aizen's Illusions vanished ? Did he absorb Aizen ?

These are the questions stuck in my mind.

And i think we can add Existence Erasure to his profile because of this page.
 
The4Godlike said:
'1. If Yhwach needs to gaze its target , how come Ichigo slashed him half ? He already gazed him before. Then Almighty's effects have vanished ?'2. And how did Yhwach come back to life ? He was dead but he rewrite the future where he died and resurrected. I mean if he couldn't see Ichigo slashing him half , how could he rewrite the future ? He should be able to rewrite the future because he already saw the future but he couldn't see Ichigo.(I hope i was able to explain what i wanted.)
3. How did Aizen's Illusions vanished ? Did he absorb Aizen ?

These are the questions stuck in my mind.

And i think we can add Existence Erasure to his profile because of this page.
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1. The real Ichigo appeared here when he sliced Yhwach in half. Renji never left the Dangai. Yhwach was fighting Aizen 1 v 1 The Ichigo and Renji there were Aizen's illusions. (Aizen/Renji got his arm cut then Aizen/Ichigo without an arm has parts of Renji's bankai that are still fading away from his body. Then Aizen appears without an arm, and the hole Yhwach made on Ichigo's chest.)

2. The same reason he couldn't make Orihime's shield none-existence, he worked his way around it and make the damage appeared on Ichigo's body regardless. He choose a future where he never died, regardless if the enemy attack landed.

3. Aizen's illusions ended, but never explain how, it was just shown that Yhwach knew that he wasn't under illusions any longer. Aizen was going to be absorb by his darkness, but Yhwach got killed before it happened.
 
AppleLord said:
1. The real Ichigo appeared here when he sliced Yhwach in half. Renji never left the Dangai. Yhwach was fighting Aizen 1 v 1 The Ichigo and Renji there were Aizen's illusions. (Aizen/Renji got his arm cut then Aizen/Ichigo without an arm has parts of Renji's bankai that are still fading away from his body. Then Aizen appears without an arm, and the hole Yhwach made on Ichigo's chest.)

2. The same reason he couldn't make Orihime's shield none-existence, he worked his way around it and make the damage appeared on Ichigo's body regardless. He choose a future where he never died, regardless if the enemy attack landed.
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I know. I mean Yhwach gazed Ichigo back then when he first broke his Bankai. If Ichigo can hit him , it means Almighty's effects must have ended because he couldn't see it.

If he only chose a future where he never died , then why did he die in the first place ?
 
The4Godlike said:
I know. I mean Yhwach gazed Ichigo back then when he first broke his Bankai. If Ichigo can hit him , it means Almighty's effects must have ended because he couldn't see it.

If he only chose a future where he never died , then why did he die in the first place ?
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Nothing says that the Almighty effects are permanent like KS, they are permanent if changes something like Ichigo's bankai it took a rewrite of the past to even be able to change something that was influence by the Almighty. Orihime casuality was negated.

Because, like the shield example, he reacted late to it.
 
A thing i think is worth noting is that apparently Shükurō Tsukishima's Book of the End's can counter The Almighty's future manipulation by inserting a past where the Almighty was never used on the target.
 
Tsubasa16 said:
A thing i think is worth noting is that apparently Shükurō Tsukishima's Book of the End's can counter The Almighty's future manipulation by inserting a past where the Almighty was never used on the target.
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His ability doesn't really change the past, but creates an alternative past where events never happened. Orihime was able to reject the Almighty there since it didn't exist, and repair the sword.
 
AppleLord said:
Tsubasa16 said:
A thing i think is worth noting is that apparently Shükurō Tsukishima's Book of the End's can counter The Almighty's future manipulation by inserting a past where the Almighty was never used on the target.
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His ability doesn't really change the past, but creates an alternative past where events never happened. Orihime was able to reject the Almighty there since it didn't exist, and repair the sword.
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I'm aware, that's why i said "inserting a past" and not "changing the past". Still, would that count as a weakness? Since that pretty much negates the effects of the Almighty on a specific target to an extent.
 
It does, but it would be useless since the future can't be changed by those events unless you can bring that alternative past to the present. As we saw with Orihime simply rejecting the past doesn't work.
 
Yhwach doesn't have fate manipulation, rather time manipulation over his fate.
 
The4Godlike said:
And i think we can add Existence Erasure to his profile because of this page.
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Hyperbole

Especially considering erasing Soul society wasn't his plan, so he's probably just using the good ol "Villain makes statement about something he can't do to scare heroes"
 
I like the idea of logically explaining weaknesses instead of calling everything PIS, assuming there are logical explanations.
 
TataHakai said:
Hyperbole

Especially considering erasing Soul society wasn't his plan, so he's probably just using the good ol "Villain makes statement about something he can't do to scare heroes"
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He was going to erase three worlds and was going to create a new one.

It is also written on his profile.
 
AppleLord said:
Yhwach doesn't have fate manipulation, rather time manipulation over his fate.
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This doesn't exactly explain his Almighty. Because he can alter the future.

So that makes his Almighty to work on Acausal characters huh ?
 
@God

No... because it still involves the manipulation of the future and fate.

By predetermining the future you're locking the timeline into a set path, which Acausal characters are immune to.
 
Heatforce said:
I like the idea of logically explaining weaknesses instead of calling everything PIS, assuming there are logical explanations.
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> Expecting Logical explanations from Kubo


loool
 
This update needs to happen. Do you know how many people I've come across of claiming Yhwach [COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.87)]is Nigh Omniscient via Almighty? [/COLOR]

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This is a good list of weaknesses. I think you have hit the nail on the head. You have put more thought into this than a lot of people that I have seen who have tried to do the same.
 
Just want to ask something about yhwach absorb can he use the power that he absorb? It think it make no sense went he got defeat i meant how can ichigo kill him wen he has hyogoku and after yhwach absor aizen i dont see hyogoku eater
 
Omega998 said:
Just want to ask something about yhwach absorb can he use the power that he absorb? It think it make no sense went he got defeat i meant how can ichigo kill him wen he has hyogoku and after yhwach absor aizen i dont see hyogoku eater
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Yhwach didn't absorb Aizen in time. Remember that it took him 1-3 chapters to absorb someone as powerful as the Soul King. He got all of his powers null.

The only power he was shown to use after absorbing someone was Mimihagi's dark reaitsu energy. Mimihagi was more or less on the same level as his base form and he was able to absorb him in seconds and use his powers right after.
 
Uh, I don't understand point 2, what, are his weakness arrows ooooor?

I mean, not only did Juha stated that he gave Uryuu an ability that surpasses his own but jugram who had the almighty atm said that the antithesis could affect the almighty, which is likely why he never saw Uryuu coming. I have another reason as to why he got affect by KS but since i'm @ work that'll have to wait a few hours later.
 
Yhwach didn't saw Uryu because he was behind him (just arriving from a different dimension) and in the panel, Uryu shot him from behind. The Antithesis wasn't mentioned to make Uryu immune to anything.
 
For the second reasoning, as for the reason Yhwach doesn't need to physically gaze at the individual to see their future:

http://www4.mangafreak.net/Read1_Bleach_614_11

Notice Yhwach said that not only did he see ichigo's entire convo with IchiBAE, he also stated he saw Ichigo arrive in the future. Notice also this is his first time ever encountering Ichigo with his Almighty activated so there was no other time to see this events with his previous encounters with the holy mongrel.
 
Khano West said:
As for my reasoning why the almighty needs not to physically gaze at the person to determine or view their future is due to the following;
http://www4.mangafreak.net/Read1_Bleach_672_9

http://www4.mangafreak.net/Read1_Bleach_672_10

No matter how you dice it, whether it was Yhwach's or Ichigo's future, neither where physically being looked at when this future was viewed as Yhwach had been sleeping.
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Jugram showed that future to Yhwach when they swap the Almighty. Yhwach said himself here: http://www4.mangafreak.net/Read1_Bleach_684_16
 
Khano West said:
For the second reasoning, as for the reason Yhwach doesn't need to physically gaze at the individual to see their future:

http://www4.mangafreak.net/Read1_Bleach_614_11

Notice Yhwach said that not only did he see ichigo's entire convo with IchiBAE, he also stated he saw Ichigo arrive in the future. Notice also this is his first time ever encountering Ichigo with his Almighty activated so there was no other time to see this events with his previous encounters with the holy mongrel.
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He already saw that future from Ichibei here he blames him before he sees them: http://www4.mangafreak.net/Read1_Bleach_613_12
 
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