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Kirby should be tier 3-A scaling off magolor. The current justification for him not scaling is honestly false and cherry picking.
Outlier.
Why? let us look at the likely arguments.
But let us look at said feats.
Nightmare-Was dying.
Kirby/Marx/NOVA-Kirby destroys the planet sized NOVA by beating and punting Marx into him, may not have been on purpose. Yet everyone involved is (currently) 4-A, so it wouldn't even be a 5-B feat.
Knuckle Joe-Is fodder. Literally. Pretty much exists for Kirby to eat. Goomba tier. (Well actually koopa the quick tier).
Dark Matter/Zero-Two-Was also dying .
Dark Mind-For one, likely far above the level we list it as, as he controls the Mirror World and warps it to his whim, but the feat he has is him creating countless stars to flee from Kirby as he was exploding to death.
Dark Nebula-Literally from waking up.
Drawcia-The feat of transmutating what constitutes as almost an entire galaxy into paint for fun.
Necrodeus-only feat named that was not piss easy casual.
Star Dream-Just his size. Potentially has a tier 3 feat, and is a universal threat.
Claycia/Dark Crafter-Final level and that it's still clay shows that Seventopia is much larger than just a solar system.
Sectonia-Is dying. (Read as "the bee").
All feats done with piss easy casualness except one .
Now wanna mention, one of the big reasons why tier 3 was claimed an outlier was because the bee almost beat Kirby and as her best feat was tier 5, and just by her dying, litterally, no effort no nothing, her death was the catalyst, as in she has no feats basically.
Why would Kirby be stopped from scaling to magolor from getting beat by the bee (not beaten, just almost and he was blindsided actually) but why would the bee not scale to Kirby?
Like why would the featless wonder exempt Kirby from scaling opposed of the featless wonder scaling to him?
On top of that the bee was corrupted and empowered by the dimension mirror.
The artifact in question is universal, and created universes in the past. Which would already be comparable to magolar (both tier 3) which means Kirby was blindsided and nearly beat by the bee being powered by something comparable with power to the master crown, which powered up magolor granting him tier 3 power. (Kirby beat both).
Kirby fighting the bee actually does the opposite of contradict magolar, fighing the bee supported universal.
On top of all that, Kirby has actually beaten Landia with the master crown twice, Master Crown being why Magolor is 3-A but we have it so oddly only magolar is tier 3 with the crown by being cortupted by the crown but funnily the happened because he couldn't control the power while Landia, the guardian and keeper of the weapon on top of all that the one who would obviously have the most and best information on hiw he could use the maximum power granted by the crown to the max yet we somehow have him below someone who had like no idea on what he was doing and could not focus the crown? no.
Plus why would the crown arbitrarily give out random boosts? Does the fully loaded infinity gauntlet, grand stars, triforce? What? do all of said artifacts give out random power boosts? Ganondorf was corrupted by the triforce, link was not, does that mean link is nigh infinitly weaker than ganon if each had the triforce? Honestly think about what happened. The master crown should be constantly the exact same power when nothing suggest that the power changes. Oh and parallel landia? Actually landia corrupted by the crown. Which completely shuts down the one debate.
Oddly if anything landia>magolar.
Scaling and Halcandran.
Long ago, in Halcandra, a group of Ancients created many legendary artifacts. We know of the Lor Starcutter and the Master Crown. And an often missed bit is that these same people created the Galactic Novas (emphasis on plural; it'll matter) and the Star Rod. And it's heavily implied that they were created around the same time, as there are a few things connecting them. The Lor Starcutter and the Master Crown are obvious, but there's others. Remember that Star Rods are needed to summon NOVA. And how Marx, Magolor, and Star Dream all have the same black hole attack. And surprisingly, Galacta Knight is a factor as well. The first NOVA is the first one to summon him, but how does it know so much about him? Galacta Knight is later fought in Halcandra in RTDL, and in this game, it is said that he's originally from there. Star Dream summons Galacta Knight, and his slash was enough to send Star Dream into OS mode. Galacta Knight's spatial slash opens a hole to Another Dimension, where the Lor Starcutter can be seen. Note that the only beings capable of opening these holes to AD, are other Halcandran things. Magolor with the crown, the Lor Starcutter, and Star Dream (and Grand Doomer...kinda). Also likely NOVA. And while this is less a big piece of evidence, when Galacta Knight's theme isn't playing when fighting him, it's either Grand Doomer's or Landia's. Also, another Halcandran creation is HR-D3. It's flavor text is the exact same as Galacta Knight's. Star Dream is likely the biggest connection, especially to the Master Crown. They're both Halcandran artifacts that gain sentience and take control of the person using its power until said person is little more than a shell of themselves, if that, revealed in the final Soul form, and are both regarded as universal threats.
Anyway, why does that matter? For one, WoG states that Landia used to guard the Halcandran legendary items, which Magolor explicitly refers to as such. How Landia was left with just the Lor and Master Crown is anyone's guess. So it's implied that they each have a similar degree of importance. And Galactic Novas, and maybe even Galacta Knight, are stronger than the Master Crown.
Firstly, the Novas. We know that they're very intelligent, borderline omniscient, and have a ton of knowledge on the universes. We know there's more than one, not only through the existence of Star Dream, but Marx was said to have absorbed a Nova's power, a being the operative word. Anyway, Nova has shown knowledge of Halcandra with knowing of Galacta Knight's story, and Star Dream was rebuilt by Haltmann by studying the greatest minds in the universe, being Halcandran Ancients, so it likely has their intellect. Yet, it's direct creations in the Robobot Armor define its power as nearly infinite when it fuses with the Access Ark, and Star Dream itself refers to Kirby's power as infinite. Yet by all accounts, Star Dream, and by proxy, Kirby's Robobot Armor, should've long had information on the Master Crown. It had Galacta Knight after all. And Access Ark + Star Dream is literally just a Nova, which means the one from Milky Way Wishes is as powerful. There's many parallels of Marx and Magolor, and it's heavily implied that Marx and Magolor were in cahoots. Magolor has said to have already been aware of Kirby, and alluded to being in contact with someone he fought before. Both have pretty much the same plan. And every cameo they make after RTDL has at least one instance where they're placed together. And that's the reason Magolor likely didn't go after a NOVA, if it's potentially stronger (also, keep in mind that summoning NOVA has more trials than getting the Master Crown. The MC has 1 Guardian. Nova has 7). As he knows Marx, he knows that he's still stoppable if empowered that way, and had to rely on something else (confirmation that Novas can be > the MC comes after Magolor's defeat).
On to Galacta Knight. He's undoubtedly Halcandran, sealed away in Another Dimension. He's feared for his power, and they had to resort to sealing, and this happened in ancient times, so the Ancient Halcandrans were likely still around. He was forced to be sealed, as his power was too great, despite them having having access to 3-A power. Yet Galacta Knight is weaker than things they create? It doesn't make sense. Also, it's intetesting that Galacta Knight's attack is what initiated Star Dream's failsafe into its OS form.
The Star Rod is said to have similar power as the rest of the Ancient creations, seven of them can recreate Nova, and the same power creates Kirby's Starship, which destroys Nova. Nightmare is somewhere around that level due to taking hits from it, and Dedede has a hammer powered by the Star Rod and Fountain of Dreams. Finally It took almost all of Star Dream's ability just to create an imperfect version of its swordsman form.
Dark Matter is stated to be capable of shrouding the world in darkness, which would normally mean nothing until you take into account that Dark Matter is said to be universal invaders .
Verdict.
Universal kirby.
Outlier.
Why? let us look at the likely arguments.
- "But no feat comes close".
- Contradictions.
But let us look at said feats.
Nightmare-Was dying.
Kirby/Marx/NOVA-Kirby destroys the planet sized NOVA by beating and punting Marx into him, may not have been on purpose. Yet everyone involved is (currently) 4-A, so it wouldn't even be a 5-B feat.
Knuckle Joe-Is fodder. Literally. Pretty much exists for Kirby to eat. Goomba tier. (Well actually koopa the quick tier).
Dark Matter/Zero-Two-Was also dying .
Dark Mind-For one, likely far above the level we list it as, as he controls the Mirror World and warps it to his whim, but the feat he has is him creating countless stars to flee from Kirby as he was exploding to death.
Dark Nebula-Literally from waking up.
Drawcia-The feat of transmutating what constitutes as almost an entire galaxy into paint for fun.
Necrodeus-only feat named that was not piss easy casual.
Star Dream-Just his size. Potentially has a tier 3 feat, and is a universal threat.
Claycia/Dark Crafter-Final level and that it's still clay shows that Seventopia is much larger than just a solar system.
Sectonia-Is dying. (Read as "the bee").
All feats done with piss easy casualness except one .
Now wanna mention, one of the big reasons why tier 3 was claimed an outlier was because the bee almost beat Kirby and as her best feat was tier 5, and just by her dying, litterally, no effort no nothing, her death was the catalyst, as in she has no feats basically.
Why would Kirby be stopped from scaling to magolor from getting beat by the bee (not beaten, just almost and he was blindsided actually) but why would the bee not scale to Kirby?
Like why would the featless wonder exempt Kirby from scaling opposed of the featless wonder scaling to him?
On top of that the bee was corrupted and empowered by the dimension mirror.
The artifact in question is universal, and created universes in the past. Which would already be comparable to magolar (both tier 3) which means Kirby was blindsided and nearly beat by the bee being powered by something comparable with power to the master crown, which powered up magolor granting him tier 3 power. (Kirby beat both).
Kirby fighting the bee actually does the opposite of contradict magolar, fighing the bee supported universal.
On top of all that, Kirby has actually beaten Landia with the master crown twice, Master Crown being why Magolor is 3-A but we have it so oddly only magolar is tier 3 with the crown by being cortupted by the crown but funnily the happened because he couldn't control the power while Landia, the guardian and keeper of the weapon on top of all that the one who would obviously have the most and best information on hiw he could use the maximum power granted by the crown to the max yet we somehow have him below someone who had like no idea on what he was doing and could not focus the crown? no.
Plus why would the crown arbitrarily give out random boosts? Does the fully loaded infinity gauntlet, grand stars, triforce? What? do all of said artifacts give out random power boosts? Ganondorf was corrupted by the triforce, link was not, does that mean link is nigh infinitly weaker than ganon if each had the triforce? Honestly think about what happened. The master crown should be constantly the exact same power when nothing suggest that the power changes. Oh and parallel landia? Actually landia corrupted by the crown. Which completely shuts down the one debate.
Oddly if anything landia>magolar.
Scaling and Halcandran.
Long ago, in Halcandra, a group of Ancients created many legendary artifacts. We know of the Lor Starcutter and the Master Crown. And an often missed bit is that these same people created the Galactic Novas (emphasis on plural; it'll matter) and the Star Rod. And it's heavily implied that they were created around the same time, as there are a few things connecting them. The Lor Starcutter and the Master Crown are obvious, but there's others. Remember that Star Rods are needed to summon NOVA. And how Marx, Magolor, and Star Dream all have the same black hole attack. And surprisingly, Galacta Knight is a factor as well. The first NOVA is the first one to summon him, but how does it know so much about him? Galacta Knight is later fought in Halcandra in RTDL, and in this game, it is said that he's originally from there. Star Dream summons Galacta Knight, and his slash was enough to send Star Dream into OS mode. Galacta Knight's spatial slash opens a hole to Another Dimension, where the Lor Starcutter can be seen. Note that the only beings capable of opening these holes to AD, are other Halcandran things. Magolor with the crown, the Lor Starcutter, and Star Dream (and Grand Doomer...kinda). Also likely NOVA. And while this is less a big piece of evidence, when Galacta Knight's theme isn't playing when fighting him, it's either Grand Doomer's or Landia's. Also, another Halcandran creation is HR-D3. It's flavor text is the exact same as Galacta Knight's. Star Dream is likely the biggest connection, especially to the Master Crown. They're both Halcandran artifacts that gain sentience and take control of the person using its power until said person is little more than a shell of themselves, if that, revealed in the final Soul form, and are both regarded as universal threats.
Anyway, why does that matter? For one, WoG states that Landia used to guard the Halcandran legendary items, which Magolor explicitly refers to as such. How Landia was left with just the Lor and Master Crown is anyone's guess. So it's implied that they each have a similar degree of importance. And Galactic Novas, and maybe even Galacta Knight, are stronger than the Master Crown.
Firstly, the Novas. We know that they're very intelligent, borderline omniscient, and have a ton of knowledge on the universes. We know there's more than one, not only through the existence of Star Dream, but Marx was said to have absorbed a Nova's power, a being the operative word. Anyway, Nova has shown knowledge of Halcandra with knowing of Galacta Knight's story, and Star Dream was rebuilt by Haltmann by studying the greatest minds in the universe, being Halcandran Ancients, so it likely has their intellect. Yet, it's direct creations in the Robobot Armor define its power as nearly infinite when it fuses with the Access Ark, and Star Dream itself refers to Kirby's power as infinite. Yet by all accounts, Star Dream, and by proxy, Kirby's Robobot Armor, should've long had information on the Master Crown. It had Galacta Knight after all. And Access Ark + Star Dream is literally just a Nova, which means the one from Milky Way Wishes is as powerful. There's many parallels of Marx and Magolor, and it's heavily implied that Marx and Magolor were in cahoots. Magolor has said to have already been aware of Kirby, and alluded to being in contact with someone he fought before. Both have pretty much the same plan. And every cameo they make after RTDL has at least one instance where they're placed together. And that's the reason Magolor likely didn't go after a NOVA, if it's potentially stronger (also, keep in mind that summoning NOVA has more trials than getting the Master Crown. The MC has 1 Guardian. Nova has 7). As he knows Marx, he knows that he's still stoppable if empowered that way, and had to rely on something else (confirmation that Novas can be > the MC comes after Magolor's defeat).
On to Galacta Knight. He's undoubtedly Halcandran, sealed away in Another Dimension. He's feared for his power, and they had to resort to sealing, and this happened in ancient times, so the Ancient Halcandrans were likely still around. He was forced to be sealed, as his power was too great, despite them having having access to 3-A power. Yet Galacta Knight is weaker than things they create? It doesn't make sense. Also, it's intetesting that Galacta Knight's attack is what initiated Star Dream's failsafe into its OS form.
The Star Rod is said to have similar power as the rest of the Ancient creations, seven of them can recreate Nova, and the same power creates Kirby's Starship, which destroys Nova. Nightmare is somewhere around that level due to taking hits from it, and Dedede has a hammer powered by the Star Rod and Fountain of Dreams. Finally It took almost all of Star Dream's ability just to create an imperfect version of its swordsman form.
Dark Matter is stated to be capable of shrouding the world in darkness, which would normally mean nothing until you take into account that Dark Matter is said to be universal invaders .
Verdict.
Universal kirby.
