Dragon Ball Heroes cosmology revision

[AnonymouXOtakuX]

Welp, this is basically something good if approved.

also, been meaning to ask this, who is going to create the profiles for the Xeno original characters? Examples are shroom, beat, chamel, etc... all are above demigra, so yeah.

@SSJRyu1 wasn't there a statement on DBO that said that Mira's inteference in time caused an infinite existing number of timelines? i remember reading something like that, back when i played it with my cousin, but i might be wrong?

 

[IkaniL]

Honestly with all the feats in Dragon Ball Heroes, I would NOT be surprised if they were simply able to "Sense" the amount of timelines there are.
Also when was that a problem Ikani? We have plenty of characters that "Has no logical way of knowing" but still went through with upgrades on this site because of simply too much evidence saying otherwise.

There isn't a lot of evidence really though. At least for the infinite timelines thing.

Because it makes no sense to consider it not a hyperbolic claim when he has no way to know this, and there isn't really much other evidence. I mean, if some of the points here are proven to be solid, then that would add legitimacy to Cell despite the odd circumstances of him knowing it.

 

[Akreious]

I'll go dig through a few DBO scans online to see if that also supports the infinite timeline statement.

 

[SSJRyu1]

@IKaniL The time machiene can sense and be set up to go to alternate timelines like Trunks future and the present timeline. Well Cell has used the time machiene in the past and knows how to use it. Also he has the knoledge of all the z fighters, including the databanks on Trunks who knows all about time travel to. Also in SB they are crossing over timelines due to jaenmba warping them together, so Cell has dealt with other alternate timelines as well in that regard, aside from himself being from one to (Trunks future). He even invites many of his selves to battle with him in DBF which links to DBH and such, from alternate timelines and states it is simple for him to invite them to assist him. So he can clearly sense alternate timelines and interact with them, and has in the past, and he has all the info on time travel in his databanks on top of his intellect. Also Trunks seems to think his threat is completly legit. So he has knoledge of alternate timelines and can interac with them to some degree, and has in the past. Also nothing really contradicts his statement either so youd need to find proof that he doesn't know what he's talking about if your going that route of claiming he is wrong.

@Antvasima Yes I did msg Azzathoth, so hopefully he can give some input on it soon.

@AnonymouXOtakuX It was stated Mira made a myriad of timelines, and tv tropes stated he created seemingly inifnte timelines. "a seemingly infinite amount of timelines had been created"

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DragonBallOnline

Although I haven't played the actual game, only seen some scans, so if you can find an infinite timelines statement from it that would be certainly a plus.

 

[Antvasima]

I have asked Azathoth for input.

However, these threads are starting to get repetitive, so it is probably best if you stop making them after he has evaluated this.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

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[Zenkaibattery1]

I would like to post some scans as well. Please evalutate this as well

Most important scan (s) probably:

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/KbiTz6hLzmd

^^ Every single Dragon Ball game is part of DBH. All statements and feats scale to DBH.

Attack potency stuff: 2-A

DBZ/DBS

https://imgur.com/a/0FNKN

"Many different futures are created over the smallest things" [Shown when Beerus created another time ring when he killed Zamasu]

DBO

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DragonBallOnline

DBO has "Seemingly infinite timelines"

DBX

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/DqCgfUtHyC7

In the comments, there is a scan that says "History can take up an infinite number of paths/possibilities." Now, a few arguments have been given that the possibilities/timelines/paths don't exist but in the original scan, 16 implies the PATHS ALREADY HAVE TIMELINES. [This by extenstion, backs up Kai of times statement in DBH since again, the games are connected]

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/SfQYe9MSYtq

"Infinite history!"

https://plus.google.com/11380651672...pytuewpjvx23dyhcxhmrqtfbxv04.1513366312015095

^Symbolizing Infinite history or time. Remember, this is the exact same symbol Mira had after absorbing Toki-Toki's egg. The symbol represents time/history. This also goes back to the time warriors statement of infinite paths.

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/764igghqPB9

Chronoa is 4-D as mentioned before scaling off Dark Kid Buu who destroyed a timeline and chronoa who stated she was going to destroy Trunks' timeline and can merge timelines together. This would make Demigra's base 2-C BTW

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/idfZHzJ5SFK

Toki-Toki is the embodiment of time. And remember that Demigra absorbed him and Mira absorbed Towa and Toki-Toki's egg. Since time is infinite, he would have gained infinite power. Demigra prior to this was already 4-D via being above Dark Kid Buu and Chronoa. Dark Kid Buu who destroyed a timeline, and Chronoa who stated she could erase Trunks' timeline and could merge them together So that would make him Infinite 4-D or Multiversal+

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/VbFi9shiQnt

Zamasu said God Ki is a different level of existence. Zamasu also senses God Ki within the Future Warrior

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/imvRVnNmYYP

After absorbing the egg, Mira states he has 'limitless power. 'He was also going to destroy the entire multiverse, and even the crack of time.

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/diQUfSxzaq3

Towa states that with the egg, she could rule over all of time and all of space which is infinite. Remember that the egg in the end gave Mira Limitless power. He also gained a true infinity symbol. THE SAME SYMBOL FOR THE INFINITE HISTORY PACK. The symbol represents time/history.

DBH

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/DhasYtKT4Wo

The possibilities do exist [Remember that Xenoverse is connected to DBH's continuity (refer to the very first link) so the statement of an infinite paths in DBX stands for DBH]

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/FekGzaKNCwP

In DBH, the world of void does have time and space as it is inside the timelines and encompasses infinite time-space. So that should be infinite 4-D

DBF

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/dKcxz12gHo2

Shenron fused all dimensions into one.

https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/73hpQzJoRkP

Beerus created the world. It was stated it would need a power that rivals a God of Destruction to beat the final villain. After the 5 people maxi fusion, and FUSING with ALL of TIME AND SPACE [Infinite], and Beerus and Whis secretly lending a portion of their energy, they rivaled Beerus. Even then, Beerus was stronger. When they say all of time and space, it's from all throughout histroy. And as shown, history is infinite.

This would give the Future Warrior, Demigra post absorption, TB Bardock, Mira post absorption, Towa [With the egg] and Xenoverse Goku 2-A

I would like to point something else out as well. Beerus is not weaker than Demigra. Beat is not stronger than Beerus. Beerus losing to beat was a game simulation from the "Real world" from the characters playing DBH.

 

[Sidali891]

Bump

 

[IkaniL]

@SSJRyu1

So the time matchine does have a way of detecting alternate timelines. Well, that does help with Cell's claim.

However, there's a big difference between knowing a few timelines exist, to literal infinite timelines. I kind've feel like he was speaking from a metaphorical stance of there being an unknown amount of worlds for him to destroy. If there is no way for him to know the existence of infinite timelines, and he isn't depicted as being a source for cosmological knowledge. Anything he says can be taken as hyperbole. Like, per say if Krillin claimed the universe was infinite despite having no context or reasoning to know this.

Also I don't think he can sense the other timelines, but rather just can detect their existence with the time matchine. Rememember, each timeline is going to be another one based on the DBZ universe. So obviously if he knows that much, he knows there will be other Cell's out there.

The problem with this feat is its a standalone one, and can be attributed to hyperbole. Its context isn't in regards to cosmology.

However, if you can find other solid evidence of infinite timelines. That would help this.

 

[DMUA]

Reading over this, I'd say that a whole load of timelines makes more sense than Infinite timelines.

 

[Antvasima]

I also think that 2-B seems to make more sense.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Same. There seems to be a whole lot / countless timelines, but not infinite.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Since Azathoth seems uninterested in revisiting this topic over and over, should we close the thread?

Also, since variations of this topic seems to pop up regularly, should we get a discussion rule against it?

 

[Kepekley23]

I disagree with a discussion rule. This seems like an interesting topic, and we might find more evidence for a 2-A rating in the future.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Never mind about that then.

Should we close this thread in any case?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Probably. Unless Azzy feels like commenting here. Which he could by re-openning it.

 

[TurboTriangle601]

yeah 2-B is pretty good to me imo

 

[Antvasima]

Alright then.