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Let's end this. Frisk vs. Ness

Going to say Frisk, Save n' Load will make it nigh impossible for Ness to keep them down for good. Both are relatively equal in stats but since Frisk has more in the way of hax by means of DETERMINATION and SAVE and LOAD.as well as reality warping, I'm saying Frisk.
 
Reality Manipulation is for the 2-B version.

But yeah, SAVE and LOAD = Frisk will never true lost here.
 
So the only thing Frisk as in his/her 7-C key is Time Travel, Soul Manipulation and Self-Resurrection?
 
Do Ness' status abilities (sleep, paralysis, etc) act as something like a projectile or wave that inflicts them in someone (in other words something you could learn to dodge) or do they just directly affect the target?
 
PK Rockin is a wave that covers all the area.

Effects from PK Flash are produced when the enemy comes in contact with the barrage of rays of light that are created by the attack.

Hypnosis and Paralysis are directly if I remember.
 
Okay, so Frisk could only potentially dodge one of those then. In that case, I vote for inconclusive. Frisk keeps reloading while Ness keeps putting them to sleep or paralyzing them then killing them.
 
Chrisras said:
So the only thing Frisk as in his/her 7-C key is Time Travel, Soul Manipulation and Self-Resurrection?
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If this is all, I'll say inconclusive aswell. Frisk is definetly not dying, but I don't see him/her damaging Ness significantly either. Ness has dealt with flying enemies before, most of his attacks doesn't seem dodgeable, like Rockin Omega and Flash Gamma, and Paralysis will make him/her take the hit, He has his shields to take and reflect damage that can't be dodge, Pills to became stronger AP wise, A strong range advantage, he can allways escape via teleport to heal, and can also heal himself completly in a second with Lifeup Gamma. His shields can also take and reflect Spiritual attacks, so I guess he can tank damage from Frisk.
 
The only way for this to end would be if one of them would be so exhausted they'd fall asleep even mid-combat, so I'd go with inconclusive.
 
Save and load is definitely combat applicable. It's a big part of his battles in game, and it's not like it's hard to apply to situations outside of the game.
 
If we go by high end feats, Frisk is way faster, but speed is equalized so idk.

What equipment does Frisk have?

What is her LOVE?

What does she have in her Inventory?

Can she use all her ACT options?
 
Super Ascended Sean Pazdera said:
If we go by high end feats, Frisk is way faster, but speed is equalized so idk.
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High end feats?

Ness is Sol while Frisk is just MHS+.

And Ness is scaled to a far stronger fodder than Frisk.
 
Super Ascended Sean Pazdera said:
Without using the things above, it seems Frisk is a lot smarter and has more stamina, so I'll go for Frisk as of now.
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How does that counter any of Ness's hax?
 
Knight Knight's solar flares are light and Frisk could see them in slow motion.
Uh... what?

There is not a single proof that they are light and I am pretty sure they were debunked just like Flowey "flash of light".

>>Say Frisk see them in slow motion, yet it's one of the fastest bullets in the game.
 
I want to say inconclusive for reasons above, Ness is far more combat based than Frisk and any damage Frisk does is physical which would be reflected back at Frisk with Ness's Shields and Frisk has never dealt with statuses like uncontrollable crying or sleep inducement and then Ness has healing and I don't see Frisk doing enough damage to defeat Ness in a single blow. However, Frisk's resurrection and other abilities make it impossible for Ness to put him down for good.
 
Frisk likely won't give up, and that's the only way they would lose as I don't see any way for Ness to overcome SAVE+LOAD
 
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