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Bill Cipher vs Ness

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Restricted Bill vs Post-Magicant Ness

Win via KO, incapacitation, or death. SPEED EQUALIZED and both are bloodlusted

Ness clay
Bill cipher by aleximusprime-d9ia34c
 
Ok let's do this.

Ness's Advantages:

First, Bill can't mess with Ness's mind thanks to his resistance.

Ness can directly hit Bill's Non-Corporeal Form so that's useless to Bill.

Bill's attacks are not psychic in nature so they are subject to reflection.

PK Flash would hit Bill's most vulnerable area, the eye.

Duplication is useless as Ness can use PK Rockin' which hits all enemies on the field

Is Nigh-Omniscient

Bill's Advantages:

Bill has regen, however considering this is for his physical form and Ness can hit his true form right off the bat. I'm not sure.

Bill has Space and Time Manipulation

Has General Reality Warping

Has Gravity Manipulation

Has Matter Manipulation (Not sure how good it is tho)

And has Soul Manipulation

Things Ness has dealt with

In Earthbound Ness has fought many different enemies with very strange powers. One being a clock that freezes him in time which hurts him (this was during his 7-C Form)

That's all I got to share for what I know about the characters.
 
@ The real cal Howard Yup, I am voting for the Psychic Boi, he has resistance to Space-time Manipulation, and yes, dealt with Time stop, and at some point, even dodged some attacks when time was stopped. Ness PK Flash would probably one shot Bill (Considering that he is Bloodlusted) (I think we should add resistance to time stop in Ness's profile)
 
Ignore what I said about adding to Ness's powers, that's something that can be discussed on a other thread (Like I can do a minor addition thread)

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I think Bill has this. Ness hasn't really dealt with someone with this kind of reality warping before. Sure you can say Giygas but Ness doesn't seem to resist Bill god tier reality warping. He could simply incapacitate Ness and prevent him from attack him. Not to mention Bill's RW isn't exactly something Ness can dodge. My vote is for Bill
 
Does Bill have resistance to Hypnosis and Paralysis? If not, Ness could use this as an advantage and one shot him there via PK Flash.
 
DaBigP said:
Does Bill have resistance to Hypnosis and Paralysis? If not, Ness could use this as an advantage and one shot him there via PK Flash.
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I don't think so but can it be avoided? Or is it instantaneous?

It may come down to who can use their abilities first? If Ness and stun he could kill with Flash meanwhile Bill could incapacitate Ness with his reality warping. Bill's seems to be more likely since RW being instantaneous
 
@TheArsenal1212

Well, in Earthbound, these Attacks aren't Dodged by enemy's (Simply it either work or doesn't work), heck, PK Brianshocked worked on Giygas in a snap, and he is Omnipresent! So to answer your question, yes, it can't be Dodged in any way (even if you're Omnipresent) and is possibly instantaneous. And yeah, it might come down to that (maybe...)


So right now they're bloodlusted

If someone changed this to "in Character", Ness might actually have a high chance of winning

Due to Bill not taking kids or people in general seriously (Example would be Dipper) which would lead Ness an advantage, ending it with PK Flash. Also if you think Ness won't take things seriously, well...he fought his "best" friend and many people to come, including Barf.
 
Also about that reality warping, Ness can just use PSI Healing to revert back to normal instead of being incapacitated. And if Bill some how kills him, his Immortality (Type 6) will come into play.
 
Yeah fair enough I change my Vote towards Ness

Poor Bill, when using his low 2C form he gets oithaxed against other low 2Cs and then again when up against a 2A

Like full power bill beats all of the low 2Cs but that's not how the cookie crumbles
 
True, I mean look how many loses he had! It's insane!! The only powah ful low 2-C Character i think of is Sailor Galaxia. Also I changed my vote to Ness.

Ness:3

Bill:0
 
DaBigP said:
True, I mean look how many loses he had! It's insane!! The only powah ful low 2-C Character i think of is Sailor Galaxia. Also I changed my vote to Ness.

Ness:3

Bill:0
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He needs some wins. Maybe Bill vs Anti-Pops?
 
DaBigP said:
Or Giygas, Overlord, and that's all I have.
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Good choices, but Low 2C match between Bill and Giygas is a stomp. Void manipulation screws Bill over, it's what Ford's gun would of killed him with if he didn't miss most of Bill's body
 
OH! Did i forget to vote? If so, I vote Ness FRA.

And don't feel bad for Bill losing to Ness, he's a surprisingly powerful 7-C and Low 2-C.
 
How many more votes does Ness need, or does he have enough? If so, then someone please close this and add the Victory to Ness and Bills profiles.
 
7 is enough but I believe a grace period is needed. It usually lasts 24 (now 21) hours before it can be closed
 
GreyFang82 said:
OH! Did i forget to vote? If so, I vote Ness FRA.

And don't feel bad for Bill losing to Ness, he's a surprisingly powerful 7-C and Low 2-C.
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Actually, I'm changing to Bill. Sorry I know it's last minute but I believe Bill can incapcitate Ness and kill him before he can heal. Bill isn't Baseline via killing the TB so he can hurt Ness

Additionally , he may not take him seriously at first, but Ness shouldn't be able to kill Bill right of the bat. He uses goes for PK Fire or something similar first. Vote is for Bill
 
DaBigP said:
PK fire is something Ness doesn't learn..., That's Smash bros
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Oh well, it's not the move I'm thinking of then, it's something else still he doesn't use Flash of the bat mostly
 
So! He has control over Matter, Space, and Time ya say.....(right?)

Well for starters Ness wouldn't really start off something like this (Since he is Omniscient, like I said, he probably start off either putting Bill to sleep or Paralyzing him) plus, Ness absorbed Magicant, which is a Universe that has it's own Space and Time, becoming one with it.
 
DaBigP said:
So! He has control over Matter, Space, and Time ya say.....(right?)

Well for starters Ness wouldn't really start off something like this (Since he is Omniscient, like I said, he probably start off either putting Bill to sleep or Paralyzing him) plus, Ness absorbed Magicant, which is a Universe that has it's own Space and Time, becoming one with it.
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But Bill also starts with RW, especially with someone who he won't take seriously. He takes TB seriously so he One shots it. He messes around with Dipper. I seriously once again believe whoever strikes first wins this because even if Ness can recover from the RW, bill can keep nerfing him over and over until he does kill him. Ness can do what yyou u were saying earlier, if he can hit Bill, Bill's forcefields could actually withstand it.

Maybe incon instead then sorry for changing so much
 
Actually, Ness has PSI Shield which could also be brought up for attack reflection, and since some of Bills attacks aren't Psychic they are subject to reflection. And about Time Baby, Bill was actually a bit scared at first, its like when a police shows up in your house, and you're scared, but you have a gun behind you. This is what Bill did, he 1 shot him, but like I said, he was a bit scared at first, but when he had an advantage, he did it. Also what do you mean Nerf, please elaborate on that. And one more thing, Ness isn't Time baby, sure he is a baby, but he governs Time! Ness is just a kid with Psychic powers, I'm sure Bill will play around with him for a bit (That's until Ness paralyze him and 1 shot him)


Oh and it's fine if you change your vote
 
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