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Time Devourer potential regen upgrade

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And there's only one thing that could be...

I did some reasearch and came up with the conclusion to make this thread.

Frankly, this is very hard to explain, and I'm likely overthinking it. But here I go.

So, for those who've played Chrono Trigger, recall the time Marle was Ret-Goned from existence, and how she recalls the experience. That's just a small snippet of the Darkness Beyond Time, and ye only allusion you'll get to the negative repercussions of time traveling in this game. That all changes with its far more cynical sequel, which goes ham on this.

See, when the original cast beats Lavos, its "death" caused a whole lot of paradoxes to come into existence, and sends timelines to the DBT. This happens...often. AFAIK There's the Dead Sea, El Nido, etc. It's implied that every change in time dooms at least one of infinite realities to the DBT.

And every reality is heavily reliant on Lavos (I'll get more into that).

Now recall that Lavos is basically BB, let alone the Dream Devourer. You manage to somehow kill one, bypassing all of its defenses, there's always a timeline where you didn't kill him, and that one will wreck shop. Ever since base, killing him paradoxes timelines in and out of existence. Wipe 'em all out? The DBT is the base of its operations, and you just sent all of Creation there. Congratulations. Yeah, as we've established before, Lavos in his Devourer states have no qualms about bringing itself back from the DBT. The rule about there being timelines that you didn't kill him in applies there as well.

Basically, Lavos can bring himself back from the DBT even if reality is paradoxed to that void as well.

Again, this only applies to Time Devourer...if legit. And maybe Dream Devourer, as their regen stems from the same reasonings kinda.
 
I'm...surprised you read it that quickly.

What did you get from that? Just asking out of curiosity.
 
Oh, I also forgot about some other general things:

Can break through seals preventing cross-dimensional access and create barriers preventing cross-dimensional portals -- Taken from Schala

Can split a being into fragments of itself -- Did this to the Dragon God (or FATE did this, but Lavos still gets the computer's powers anyway)

Can affect the true forms of beings through their avatars -- The Dragon God manifests itself as a shadow of its true self when it fights, and states that destroying that has no effect on its true form. However, it still was eaten by Lavos quite a while ago.

Possession -- Controlled the literally nonexistent remains of the Dragon God. It's basically puppetteering.
 
If I can slim it down...

Lavos can bring itself back from the nonexistent DBT.

Deleted timelines go to the nonexistent DBT.

Lavos can return from deleted timelines from the nonexistent DBT.
 
Isn't that the definition of High Godly? Returning from when you and reality are rendered nonexistent?
 
@Ever. Actually, when Crono kills Lavos, there are realities subsequently gets ret-goned as a result of Lavos being erased from existence, happening one with another. And TD can return from any timeline/erased timeline where he wasn't killed specifically by Serge and co.
 
Pretty sure it's been a very contentuous thing that just one reality isn't enough for High-Godly.
 
Uhhhh so...

Basically....

Lavos can bring himself back from the Darkness Beyond Time, even after all of the infinite timelines of the Chronoverse are "consumed" by it?
 
..............ok, so he can basically nom stuff so hard they don't go to nonexistence...

Ok so why the "yes and no"?
 
The Everlasting said:
Pretty sure it's been a very contentuous thing that just one reality isn't enough for High-Godly.
I recall Matt saying otherwise. Also, definition says the reality, as opposed to all reality.
 
The real cal howard said:
Because Lavos does plan to exist in solitude after that, meaning he can exist in a realm beyond nonexistence.
This doesn't mean that he can keep regenerating after everything is gone though
 
I recall Matt saying otherwise. Also, definition says the reality, as opposed to all reality.

Bruh, the definition of High-Godly regen is returning after all of the verse you're in is destroyed or erased. Simply regenerating from the erasure of one reality / universe / timeline isn't enough
 
The real cal howard said:
I recall Matt saying otherwise. Also, definition says the reality, as opposed to all reality.
But going from this interpretation ... any being that was erased even after being non-existent (thus already existing in pure nothingness) and yet could regenerate would receive High-Godly as well?
 
That's stupid (not on you, mind you). It's literally the same feat with a reduction in size. Heck, two characters could have the same regen feat, and one could get Mid-Godly while the other gets High Godly because the former series has a multiverse while the latter series has a single universe.

And doesn't Ygg have it even though All Delete didn't affect all of the verse?

This wasn't directed to my boi Ex. He just ninja'd me.
 
@Executor

Honestly, this should indeed be High-Godly, given you're regenerating even after the state Mid-Godly regenerators regen from (nonexistence) is erased

a.k.a this is basically regenerating from the definition of negating Mid-Godly regen
 
I do not think it's necessary that all the franchise verse be destroyed. Swamp-Thing has High-Godly as it has regenerated even after the entire pre-crisis multiverse (considering only the infinite 4D Multiverse) has been destroyed.


The requirement I knew is that it regenerates through a higher set of reality.
 
Yeah, it isn't the entire verse that needs to be destroyed, but it's everything on your dimensional level I believe (the infinite multiverse in this case).
 
I repeat my sentiment above.

Also, the DBT is also beyond the infinite multiverse. Stated to be several times.
 
That I disagree with. Think about it, does Zen'ō's erasure require High-Godly to come back? It erases things along with the timeline.

Also beyond the multiverse =/= higher set of reality
 
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