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Zeno VS Jorgen Von Strangle
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Zen'o via erase since he'll start off with it IC.
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Just saying, Jorgen is just as likely to start off by turning Zen'ō into ice cream.
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Jorgen can do that?
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Literally any fairy can, let alone Jorgen.
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Hmm alright. Inconclusive, whoever hits first wins.
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Hi uh quick question how good is Jorgens Time Manipulation? He can like just time stop zeno then turn him into ice cream. Pretty clear cut if you ask me.
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How often does he do that IC?
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I cant remember which is why I asked lul.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
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Then inconclusive due to whoever hits first scenario.
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Inconclusive for the reasons above.
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Wand shine>hand raise, so Jorgen. Also, if we're disregarding that, depends if Zen'ō sees Jorgen as a Zamasu or a Frost. Former gives him more time to act, latter doesn't.
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So, Jorgen is more likely to hit Zen'o first? If so, then I vote for Jorgen, they can both one-shot.
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To be honest, both have their personality faults that make them unable to one shot.
Jorgen is somewhat overconfident and Zeno acts like a child.
So I doubt my vote will change.
If bloodlusted, I lean to Zeno but even then it is still who hits who first.
Jorgen is somewhat overconfident and Zeno acts like a child.
So I doubt my vote will change.
If bloodlusted, I lean to Zeno but even then it is still who hits who first.
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Zeno destroyed 4 universes.
Jorgen destroyed 2.
Jorgen destroyed 2.
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Zeno could have also destroyed them one by one, we dont know the context.
He is 2-C because of a statement of being able to erase 12 universes.
Which is actually worse then 4 but ehh.
I doubt Zeno would one shot just because he can.
Again, he acts like a child.
Although I have to think this through, it is weird and it doesnt help jorgen wish making is inconsistent at best.
He is 2-C because of a statement of being able to erase 12 universes.
Which is actually worse then 4 but ehh.
I doubt Zeno would one shot just because he can.
Again, he acts like a child.
Although I have to think this through, it is weird and it doesnt help jorgen wish making is inconsistent at best.
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He did one shot zamasu right after seeing him once.
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That is also because he found him annoying.Monikaforever said:
Jorgen is somewhat similiar.
He just has a bad habit of having supreme power and just...not having good oversight.
Key Example: Anti-Fairies.
Yup, thats about it.
Both are prime examples of character induced stupidity..
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I dunno i still go for Zenou.
Jorgen is overconfident and would understimate the baby looking king of all.
And Zenou just has to find him annoying to end the fight.
Jorgen is overconfident and would understimate the baby looking king of all.
And Zenou just has to find him annoying to end the fight.
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omni king destroy 12 DB macroverse(which is same size as 36 real life universe) also shenron can grant immortality and bring people back from the dead but he can't turn androids into humans?Why well because Shenron can't affect those who are stronger than him though wouldn't that only count if he were trying to destroy him?
Afterall removing mechanical parts =/= destroying cyborgs
So in dragon ball if weaker character A can do reality warphing and charachter B is stonger well still charachter B win.
Afterall removing mechanical parts =/= destroying cyborgs
So in dragon ball if weaker character A can do reality warphing and charachter B is stonger well still charachter B win.
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@Lord I have no idea why that last part is in. Hmm. I guess I will go with Zeno due to ap alone. I forgot dbz has larger universe then our own. (We accept that here, right?) In short, Zeno for Monikas reasons and ap.
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Accept or not that is fact 1 universe in DB is big as 3 real life universe(mortal universe,afterlife,kaioshin realm)real life universe have over 200,000,000,000 galaxy and that thing db universe is made of 4 galaxy is for people who think that beerus name is bils.KinkiestSins said:
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Accept or not that is fact 1 universe in DB is big as 3 real life universe(mortal universe,afterlife,kaioshin realm)real life universe have over 200,000,000,000 galaxy and that thing db universe is made of 4 galaxy is for people who think that beerus name is bils.
We accept things obd doesnt, and vice versa. Same thing applies for google vs debating. I dont know if we do, if so great he wins harder. But even 12 universes should be enough.
We accept things obd doesnt, and vice versa. Same thing applies for google vs debating. I dont know if we do, if so great he wins harder. But even 12 universes should be enough.
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Does the size of the universe even matter when it gets into Tier 2? That's when we start to count timelines, and stuff like that, instead of just space
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Lord ozunu said:
Since when was an actual size given for the DBS universe?
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Since when was an actual size given for the DBS universe?
It was a calc done by obd, which I am unsure if we accept here but Paolo has a point.
Tier 2 is still tier 2.
It was a calc done by obd, which I am unsure if we accept here but Paolo has a point.
Tier 2 is still tier 2.
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Iamunanimousinthat said:
in the manga
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I thought the Dragon Ball Super manga wasn't canon.
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Even if it was, this is no statement that the universe is biggerPaulo.junior.969 said:
but at best that the universe is big with countless galaxies.
it being larger is a thing from obd.
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Lord ozunu said:Iamunanimousinthat said:
in the manga
THere's nothing here that suggests a bigger size or any definite size.
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^ this tho.
Anyway, lets lowball Zeno and assume 12.
He should still take this.
Anyway, lets lowball Zeno and assume 12.
He should still take this.
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Can we drop this "bigger universe" subject? Size is irrelevant in 2-C fights.
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True, but 12 > 2.Paulo.junior.969 said:
So at least Zeno has the ap advantage.
Although minus CIS, Jorgen has the far superior hax.
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and what is actually canon in DBS when toriyama perhaps have some 26 percent of the influence on the story to decide what is canon and what is not is impossible for super.Paulo.junior.969 said:
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This is basically hax Vs AP, Zen'o has no defence against Reality Warping and Time Manipulation, but he could erase Jorgen in a second, so it depends of who hits first.
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I will go with AP here.Paulo.junior.969 said:
Since iirc, Jorgen is somewhat an idiot. He can use reality warping and that would be in character, but he only used time manipulation once.
I can go on here, but I really need some feats on what Jorgen can do.
If I recall, he has the ability to alter da rules so he might be able to do anything within reason in the context of two universes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqDO-oRjQAs i see more than 4 galaxy in this video.Iamunanimousinthat said:
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