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Eclipsa Butterfly vs Jiren

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Lightbuster30 said:
Jiren never glared on a 2-C (low).
Not voting but Jiren glared away Low 2-C Vegeta's Final Flash while SSBKKX20 Goku held him.

Also in the next episode preview he's glaring away Ultra Instinct Omen Goku as well.
 
Well, interesting stuff about Eclipsa in the recent episodes. Apperantly, Eclipsa can't use magic at all without a wand, as she never learned how to. So I don't know what she could do in this situation.
 
Ovrhide said:
Well, interesting stuff about Eclipsa in the recent episodes. Apperantly, Eclipsa can't use magic at all without a wand, as she never learned how to. So I don't know what she could do in this situation.
***** please, you KNOW she's probably lying her ass off about that.
 
***** please, you KNOW she's probably lying her ass off about that.

Probably, probably not. Tho I'd take it she isn't, as she hasn't used magic at all since she's was out of the criztal. If she can, it would be expected from the most power butterfly in history.
 
Ninjaboy14 said:
But what she wants the heroes to play along; So she can deceive them all.
She's not evil, that's made clear in current episodes. So there's no reason to deceive them.
 
Well, considering that Jiren's going to make M.U.I Goku his *****...

Uhhh....yeah.


Jiren. Eclipsa can try, but the result will always end up the same.
 
AquaWaifu said:
Ovrhide said:
Well, interesting stuff about Eclipsa in the recent episodes. Apperantly, Eclipsa can't use magic at all without a wand, as she never learned how to. So I don't know what she could do in this situation.
***** please, you KNOW she's probably lying her ass off about that.
Kind of like how Toei lies when they say "Jiren's getting serious"?
 
***** please, you KNOW she's probably lying her ass off about that.
Kind of like how Toei lies when they say "Jiren's getting serious"?

Lol. How many times has jiren powered up to his true power?

Toei: "as many times as the plot demands it"
 
Ovrhide said:
***** please, you KNOW she's probably lying her ass off about that.
Kind of like how Toei lies when they say "Jiren's getting serious"?
Lol. How many times has jiren powered up to his true power?

Toei: "as many times as the plot demands it"

Jiren in EP 109: Used 1% of his Power.


Jiren in EP 110: Used 10% of it.


Jiren in EP 111: 5% of his Power.


Jiren in EP 122: 6% of his Power.


Jiren in EP 123-126: 20% of his Power.


Jiren in EP 127: 40% of his Power.


Jiren in EP 129: 99.99999999999% of his Power.


And now, THE TRUE JIREN: 100%.


ONLY TOOK US HALF AN ARC!
 
she could use magi cwithout a wand now since that grapple match between moon and eclipsa and speed is equalised
 
Eclipsa no longer has a profile without her wand, so shes at least low 2-C normally.
 
How does any if that stop glare...? Does she open with any of that immediately? Jiren certainly glares first.
 
True. But I don't think any time hax above Hit's could affect Jiren much. It might affect the area around him more, but not Jiren himself. Since, because Hit's an assassin, all of his "time hax" goes to his opponent, and his opponent only. Therefore, personal time abilities against Jiren might not matter in these regards, since he was not only Time Caged, but also Time Lagged (Manga exclusive only), and he still won. And I don't even think he tried that hard either, despite the small struggle.

Think of it as 2 brothers struggling over a door. The little brother's hit, and the older brother's Jiren. All of the focus is on the older Brother, and less on something else. Sure, there might be a small struggle there, but the older brother will easily beat the little brother once he actually pushes a little harder than normal.

Now, do that, but in a bigger area of effect. Think of the older brother having to do the same thing, but with many doors around him. Will he tire out, or will he just do the same thing? It'll be hard to imagine the older brother tiring out, since all he has to do is try a little harder, and win easily. However, if he feels overwhelmed, he might actually have to release his power, and easily overwhelm his brother, and open the closing door infront of him. And that'll just go on repeat.

Why am I comparing this to Jiren Vs Hit? Cause, remember, Jiren was struggling, while Hit was trying to make the final push. However, Jiren used a little more of his power, and easily pushed through Hit's time cage. The older brother did the same thing to the little brother.

I'm also comparing these two because me and my older brother used to do this as well. Kind of hated it when he kept trying to barge into my room. But, in the end, I didn't care all that much. lol
 
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