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Both at 2-c.
Speed equalized.
Speed equalized.
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Giratina vs. White Face
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Giratina has no obvious way to get rid of White Face due to double non-corporeality and mid-godly. Meanwhile, White Face can likely quite easily deleted Giratina, as WF's existence erasure goes up to Low-Godly.
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White face for reasons above, and omnipresence.
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That a vote for White Face or should I close this?Saikou The Lewd King said:
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Vote for WF. Not exactly a stomp but still decisive.
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K. 2 for White Face.
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Omnipresence definitely helps.
How do you expect to outrun me...
When I am already here?
How do you expect to outrun me...
When I am already here?
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White Face is Lord English confirmed.ZacharyGrossman273 said:
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White Face 3
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For reasons above I assume. I don't know what PN hardstrike means.DodoNova2 said:
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K.
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I don't really feel like voting, but if Giratina can hit the true forms of its brethren, WF's non-corporeality is useless. And Mid Godly regen would falter to Space-Time Blow or Darkness Lost, as it acts like a Dark Area lite. Finally, unlike WF, Giratina's power nullification is passive.
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But smaller in scale. Plus when has darkness lost defeated mid godly?
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Okay
1. This is sealed form. You can't argue conceptual stuff. Because if they still were conceptual beings in their nerfed forms they would still be 2-B
2. White Face is non-corporeal to people who can hit non-corporeal being. He's pretty much a void.
3. White Face laughs are universal destruction of space-time.
4. It only prevents passive abilities, or 50% chances for active ability. White Face can blink and get rid of all of Giratina's attacks and movement.
1. This is sealed form. You can't argue conceptual stuff. Because if they still were conceptual beings in their nerfed forms they would still be 2-B
2. White Face is non-corporeal to people who can hit non-corporeal being. He's pretty much a void.
3. White Face laughs are universal destruction of space-time.
4. It only prevents passive abilities, or 50% chances for active ability. White Face can blink and get rid of all of Giratina's attacks and movement.
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Sealed means that the things related to them are lessened. While his body changes, hence the loss of non-corporeality, his abilities don't. Doesn't need to be a concept to still be able to hit one, especially given he still has a conceptual level of manipulation over antimatter.
After the first level, is it Non-Corporeal, or intangible. Big diff.
You realize that's the name of the attack, right? And not the description?
Not the case with the Renegade Pulse ability, which admittedly would be an NLF if Giratina wasn't stronger.
After the first level, is it Non-Corporeal, or intangible. Big diff.
You realize that's the name of the attack, right? And not the description?
Not the case with the Renegade Pulse ability, which admittedly would be an NLF if Giratina wasn't stronger.
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Wow, what do we have here.
Giratina vs a Face that can go toe to toe with Lucemon, Dracula and Pontos.....
Giratina vs a Face that can go toe to toe with Lucemon, Dracula and Pontos.....
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If he is able to hit 2-B concepts, why would he be 2-C? In this case, you can't separate Abstract Existence and their 2-B tiering. Unless you argue Giratina can hit concepts on a Low 2-C case, which is null considering that White Face, again, doesn't care about universal destruction.
Non-Corporeal. "Data" doesn't have any physical form and really cannot take one. The best you can do is make a physical object indirectly interact with data. But you can't punch a file in the face when you're in a game. Whereas White Face doesn't even HAVE a file to delete.
Then prove why it can negate Mid-Godly? Pretty sure only Arceus has mid-godly, and that's not even added in yet.
If we deal with "attacks" only, then it won't affect WF's important movepool.
Non-Corporeal. "Data" doesn't have any physical form and really cannot take one. The best you can do is make a physical object indirectly interact with data. But you can't punch a file in the face when you're in a game. Whereas White Face doesn't even HAVE a file to delete.
Then prove why it can negate Mid-Godly? Pretty sure only Arceus has mid-godly, and that's not even added in yet.
If we deal with "attacks" only, then it won't affect WF's important movepool.
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Hit=/=hurt. But still, about WF not caring about universal destruction. Neither does like, any tier 2. Even Beerus could care less.
The fact that WF has a picture here means that it has a physical form. Now, the other words in the paragraph are grammatically and logically correct, and this was more semantics on my part than anything else.
Doesn't negate it. It bypasses it. He can regen all he wants, but if he can't escape the void of the Lost Zone, he's screwed. I made a power for it. Void Banishing.
And why exactly? Attack is defined as any action taken against someone else with the intent to harm or incapacitate. WF's trump card falls under that.
The fact that WF has a picture here means that it has a physical form. Now, the other words in the paragraph are grammatically and logically correct, and this was more semantics on my part than anything else.
Doesn't negate it. It bypasses it. He can regen all he wants, but if he can't escape the void of the Lost Zone, he's screwed. I made a power for it. Void Banishing.
And why exactly? Attack is defined as any action taken against someone else with the intent to harm or incapacitate. WF's trump card falls under that.
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That's a really, really unnecessary power to give a page to.The real cal howard said:
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Giratina hitting yet not hurting someone like Palkia or Dialga? Pardon my skepticism but I don't believe it. My point is that conceptually erasing someone that normally exist outside of the universe or in other universes won't do much.
It's more an avatar creation than anything else. For most of the game, White Face is a disembodied voice and only appears when it feels like it.
So just BFR? Not something that's gonna affect White Face.
Negating being punched in the face isn't the same as negating being erased from existence. Also isn't this only for Mega Evolution?
It's more an avatar creation than anything else. For most of the game, White Face is a disembodied voice and only appears when it feels like it.
So just BFR? Not something that's gonna affect White Face.
Negating being punched in the face isn't the same as negating being erased from existence. Also isn't this only for Mega Evolution?
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BFR an omnipresent?
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Omnipresent isn't a thing here due to speed equalized. But BFR a double non-corporeal being who has avatars in multiple universes and who normally exist outside of said universes won't do much good.
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How do you even equalize speed with omnipresence?
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Back when all were low 2-C, Dialga tied with Sailor Moon. Sailor Moon tied with Yggdrasil. Yggdrasil beat Lavos. Lavos beat someone canonically equal to moon and it's generally agreed that Lavos would stomp Dialga hard.
Bottom line, ABC logic doesn't work outside of actual canon, @PaChi and Gar.
Bottom line, ABC logic doesn't work outside of actual canon, @PaChi and Gar.
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The same way you do with every speed.
It's not a difficult concept.
It's not a difficult concept.
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Does that mean giratina is omnipresent now?
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I'd still rather not equalize Omnipresence, because it affects things outside of speed. But whatever.
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@Zach
Just ignore the speed section. That's what you do with speed equalization.
Just ignore the speed section. That's what you do with speed equalization.
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The thing with WF is that to win when on the same tier you need to either:
1. Resist or be able to break out of Power Nullification
2. Have a passive ability capable of putting WF down before he can do stuff
Without that, it's either a win for WF or Shoutout
1. Resist or be able to break out of Power Nullification
2. Have a passive ability capable of putting WF down before he can do stuff
Without that, it's either a win for WF or Shoutout
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White Face for reasons above. Can Giratina even damage WF?
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Probably not. No one in Pokemon has mid godly regen.
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Well yet. Apparently Arceus is going to get it, but I doubt Giratina scales to him though.
