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Imscared: 1-A upgrade, but also Concept removal

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This is something I've planned to do from a lot of time, but I couldn't do until now.

Verse is this, the main blog is this, and you can check by yourself everything there.

The Player should be straight up 1-A

The reason behind it is this:
The game clearly notices the existence of the player multiple times, and not just the protagonist, but the actual person playing the game. White Face is clearly talking to you throughout the game, evidently trying to appease you, and begs you for mercy whenever you try to delete its heart.txt file. Another thing worthy to note, is that the player themselves has canonically much more control over the entire game than even white face, with the Readmeplease.txt file blatantly stating that white face would be unable to stop you if you change important files in the game, showing how superior the player is in the grand scheme of things.

As we have shown above, the game clearly knows its a game, which also solidifies the existence of a literal player. The player themselves clearly sees IMSCARED as nothing more than a piece of fiction and canonically exists independently from it, Due to R/F Transcendence I think its safe to say that this would give Low 1-C
The thing is that it's textbook R>F transcendence, considering the following things:
Particularly in the latter cases, the portrayal of the real world can also play a relevant role in the evaluation. Specifically: While a generic superiority in power to lower-world beings on the part of the inhabitants of the higher world serves as supporting evidence at best, cases where the superiority in question is treated as "size-like" (Not in the sense of being literally correlated with space, but in the sense of the real world being depicted as somehow "vaster" and more immense than the fiction) in some way are also great material to build a case for a genuine transcendence.
This is met by the fact that the game world is viewed as literal data from the Player, as the entities within it are claimed to be made of bytes, indicating that the Player is "bigger", especially given that maps and characters are made of files that the Player can manipulate within their desktop/folder.
For the R>F transcendence to be indexed, the portrayal of the transcendence must be taken into account. If the transcendence is treated as sufficiently portrayed and is important to the story (i.e. being the literal author of the world with complete control over it), then it's valid. If it is not sufficiently portrayed as transcendence compared to the fictional world, then we would not index it as such and would simply tier it as if no R>F transcendence was involved.
Considering the evidence in the blog points at a potrayal of superiority over the Game World that dwarfs characters who alrady fully control it like White Face, given the Player being genuinely shown as "bigger" than said Game World, and the fact that we lack any real anti-feat, the Player should be fully 1-A instead of Low 1-C.

Concept Type 2 removal

A downgrade to balance this, though. Conceptual Manipulation is given by this:
This is granted due to White Face manipulating the files. As explained above, files are not physical things and do not have any actual physical presence in the world. However, they can affect the physical world, as files are linked to a physical object. Modifying the file will modify the object linked to the file, and deleting the file will destroy the object linked to it. Considering this, files acts like Concepts do, specifically, Type 2 concepts.

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Both White Face and The Player Entity get this, considering they have been shown to manipulate and create game files frequently throughout the game.
However, as already argued for both DDLC and Madness Combat, all of this can be achieved by just Information Manipulation Type 2, as the latter is given to characters who can manipulate their reality akin to code and files in a program, with the latter being always associated with something (otherwise it wouldn't be a file to begin with after all), and nothing in the blog points at concepts being involved, making it redundant and baseless.

NEP for White Face should also changed from Aspect Type 2 to Type 4 because of this as well.
 
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The player from the hit game Undertale?

Jokes aside totally agree, this is the easiest 1A ever and DO NOT need to have 12 pages
 
A question? but wouldn't the fact that white face can interact with the player by sending messages to the player through PC files be an Anti-feat?
 
A question? but wouldn't the fact that white face can interact with the player by sending messages to the player through PC files be an Anti-feat?
The files are still within the PC and have no real bearing to the real world, so no.
 
The files are still within the PC and have no real bearing to the real world, so no.
He doesn't directly interact/manifest in the real world so I don't think so.
I do agree with the upgrade but I think your opps would mention that the player R>F isn't truly 1-A because of this from reality fiction transcendance page

Real World can be simulated by fiction, but it will never be the true reality. Thus, characters that exist in the 'real world' such as The Player (Imscared) would be fictional representations of real people, and not actual real people who exist.
 
I do agree with the upgrade but I think your opps would mention that the player R>F isn't truly 1-A because of this from reality fiction transcendance page
Who are "my opps" lol
Real World can be simulated by fiction, but it will never be the true reality. Thus, characters that exist in the 'real world' such as The Player (Imscared) would be fictional representations of real people, and not actual real people who exist.
Huuuuh... that's to prevent arguments like "X dude affects irl files so they're above purely fictional stuff" (Monika an example), we do accept irl Author Avatars as 1-A if there's evidence for it.
 
The files are still within the PC and have no real bearing to the real world, so no.
The issue is that if it's a literal computer in the work then it's not R>F. It's one of the major reasons why the Player from OFF isn't 1-A, same with the MCU with K.E.V.I.N., and why the Devourer from Epic Battle Fantasy was all downgraded.

This isn't R>F as much as just existing in a bigger reality. Affecting computer data is effecting a real thing, which disqualifies it from R>F.
 
he issue is that if it's a literal computer in the work then it's not R>F. It's one of the major reasons why the Player from OFF isn't 1-A
I plan to downgrade the OFF Player to just Unknown later on.
same with the MCU with K.E.V.I.N., and why the Devourer from Epic Battle Fantasy was all downgraded.
But isn't the EBF case explicitly higher dimensional, though?
This isn't R>F as much as just existing in a bigger reality. Affecting computer data is effecting a real thing, which disqualifies it from R>F.
If that is the case, what'd happen to the Low 1-C bit?
 
But isn't the EBF case explicitly higher dimensional, though?
It has an avatar within the simulation and one outside the simulation. The issue is that both have interaction in the story which doesn't work for R>F.

that is the case, what'd happen to the Low 1-C bit?
Either it stays or it just moves to higher Tier 2
 
It has an avatar within the simulation and one outside the simulation. The issue is that both have interaction in the story which doesn't work for R>F.
Yeah but the "real world" in EBF is still higher dimensional, and by your analogy data is still 3D, so idk.
Either it stays or it just moves to higher Tier 2
Personally I have no idea here, because we still have this on the page:
Potential mediums for viewing a cosmology as fiction include: written media (Books or stories), images (Paintings, comics, or movies), data (Simulations or video games), or mental constructs (thoughts or dreams). All of the above would be considered less 'real' than the person who views the cosmology as such, and can directly imply qualitative superiority. Note that the medium is usually a representation or container for the fiction on a higher plane and not necessarily the fiction in itself.
It's a bit the same as saying that a R>F by viewing a verse as a comic/book is not actually one because ink is still real to us.
 
It's a bit the same as saying that a R>F by viewing a verse as a comic/book is not actually one because ink is still real to us.
The issue with Imscared is that unlike with a comic or most vide games, it interacts directly with the reader as a "canon" part of it's story. If it was about the player being an entity the characters were aware of it would be one thing, but the programs "alter" computer data to the player's computer directly. It add things and effect things that get rid of a realness difference.

One of the main qualification for R>F is uninteraction, but the game relies on the interaction for its story to function.
 
by your analogy data is still 3D
I think what Qawsed trying to say there is data being affected by them.

Hence, if for example data gets corrupted your computer might not work in some cases. Or another analogy would be you trying to read comics or book but it gets erased by itself(idk fourth wall break or something?) or moves suddenly which is weird cuz if you think about it they should be non-existent and not real to you. I wasn't just sure if that would count as anti-feat


The issue with Imscared is that unlike with a comic or most vide games, it interacts directly with the reader as a "canon" part of it's story. If it was about the player being an entity the characters were aware of it would be one thing, but the programs "alter" computer data to the player's computer directly. It add things and effect things that get rid of a realness difference.

One of the main qualification for R>F is uninteraction, but the game relies on the interaction for its story to function.
Completely unrelated(but kinda related) question if you don't mind. Would lower world acknowledging existence of higher world might be anti feat in some cases?
 
The issue with Imscared is that unlike with a comic or most vide games, it interacts directly with the reader as a "canon" part of it's story. If it was about the player being an entity the characters were aware of it would be one thing, but the programs "alter" computer data to the player's computer directly. It add things and effect things that get rid of a realness difference.

One of the main qualification for R>F is uninteraction, but the game relies on the interaction for its story to function.
I see, these standards are confusing af ngl.
Either it stays or it just moves to higher Tier 2
Given that, as I said, data is still 3D compared to us (given it's still electrons, and you do need more physical space to store more data), would they just be "At least Low 2-C, likely far higher"? There's nothing really indicating a higher dimension either.

That or still Low 1-C idk, standard's confusing.
 
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Hence, if for example data gets corrupted your computer might not work in some cases. Or another analogy would be you trying to read comics or book but it gets erased by itself(idk fourth wall break or something?) or moves suddenly which is weird cuz if you think about it they should be non-existent and not real to you. I wasn't just sure if that would count as anti-feat
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I suppose this won't prove R>F either, it's over,,...
 
Given that, as I said, data is still 3D compared to us (given it's still electrons, and you do need more physical space to store more data), would they just be "At least Low 2-C, likely far higher"? There's nothing really indicating a higher dimension either.

That or still Low 1-C idk, standard's confusing.
It's at least Low 2-C. If the game "simulates" a universe and the player is above it, they're at least of that level. Them being Low 1-C requires effecting a universal 5D space, which only works if they can warp the real world as well.
suppose this won't prove R>F either, it's over,,...
It wouldn't, though iirc this has been soft reconed as being the Hands that's reading the story written by the Presence. So both is and is not talking about a reader.
 
Can't the entities being called "bytes" still be considered a description of some sort of composition within the fictional world asw
 
Can't the entities being called "bytes" still be considered a description of some sort of composition within the fictional world asw
They could, if the lore of the game didn't involve them changing your PC while playing
 
I'm unfortunately inclined to agree with Qawsed, our R>F standards are more complex than the surface idea suggests.
 
Damn, The versus thread for The Player from Undertale and Imscared is still goin, and if this is accepted stomp is coming
 
The issue with Imscared is that unlike with a comic or most vide games, it interacts directly with the reader as a "canon" part of it's story. If it was about the player being an entity the characters were aware of it would be one thing, but the programs "alter" computer data to the player's computer directly. It add things and effect things that get rid of a realness difference.

One of the main qualification for R>F is uninteraction, but the game relies on the interaction for its story to function.
Isn't 1-A still possible since in the imscared blog, it was mentioned that white face can't react and stop the player from messing with the game files. Could this be proof for uninteraction?

 
Isn't 1-A still possible since in the imscared blog, it was mentioned that white face can't react and stop the player from messing with the game files. Could this be proof for uninteraction?


if this argument get accepted, I know what I must do to The Player from Undertale mueheheh
 
Yeah, 1-A doesn't work
In the case of comics and games being used to show R>F, the assumption is that the ink/data/whatnot is being used to "convey" these things to the higher reality, not that they character's are themselves the ink/data, that the characters within the story can mess with the supersubstance within the real world as though they themselves were the substance does make the gap not 1-A (Unless a verse goes into elaboration that it typically won't in any case)
It has an avatar within the simulation and one outside the simulation. The issue is that both have interaction in the story which doesn't work for R>F.
I mean, personally, I could argue otherwise and say smth along the lines of them using the real world's own mechanics to reach upwards, but that's a whole mess and I would rather not
 
ink/data/whatnot is being used to "convey" these things to the higher reality, not that they character's are themselves the ink/data, that the characters within the story can mess with the supersubstance within the real world as though they themselves were the substance does make the gap not 1-A (Unless a verse goes into elaboration that it typically won't in any case)
Hmmm
One day lil' man, one day, just wait for Ch 7 giving us the most powerscaling bait description of 1-A, trust me.
Hey, beside the controller feats one, does Undertale say that they're from data 🤔 as far as i know they see themselves as a SAVE containing Uncountable amount of timeline
 
Isn't 1-A still possible since in the imscared blog, it was mentioned that white face can't react and stop the player from messing with the game files. Could this be proof for uninteraction?
No, because not being able to prevent the player from changing a file means nothing. The issue is that they can effect a real entity and alter computer files within the narrative. That's against what a 1-A is.
 
No, because not being able to prevent the player from changing a file means nothing. The issue is that they can effect a real entity and alter computer files within the narrative. That's against what a 1-A is.
What about the verse that can indeed affect computer file like Undertale, but elaborate the nature, like SAVE file that's still in universe thing, Flowey use it in the fight

If the range outside the game world, like outside of a game folder that's make sense not to give any 1-A
 
Hey, beside the controller feats one, does Undertale say that they're from data 🤔 as far as i know they see themselves as a SAVE containing Uncountable amount of timeline
The entire reason why Chara and Omega Flowey have Type 2 Information is due to them being able to affect files of the real game folder, so yeah.

Also y'all stop talking about Undertale, it's NOT the place for it.
 
The entire reason why Chara and Omega Flowey have Type 2 Information is due to them being able to affect files of the real game folder, so yeah.

Also y'all stop talking about Undertale, it's NOT the place for it.
Alright sorry

Now back to the thread, disagree FRA, the reasoning from Deonment make sense
 
What about the verse that can indeed affect computer file like Undertale, but elaborate the nature, like SAVE file that's still in universe thing, Flowey use it in the fight
Does Imscared do this? If not you're just bringing up an irrelevant comparison.
 
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