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Lightning Farron vs Goku

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Remove win by death, I doubt Goku can kill someone with type 4 immortality.

if its by K.O i dunno, how deep is Lightining time manipulation? if its not that advanced I think Goku can Win via Mafuba, but also lightining has buffs and debuffs that can give her the advantage... I dunno have to wait for more replies.

But for now if you do not change the thread (death thing) Lightining wins because Goku can't kill beings with type 4 immo
 
Paladinporter said:
Goku: 3
BTW: Win conditions are by any mean neseccary (Either by Death, KO, or BFR)
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In that situation Goku wins in a fast battle (Ko)

but in a long term battle (after many confrontations) Lightining wins

But my vote is for Goku because like I said Goku can win a fast battle and even seal her with mafuba giving him the win

(I'm just confirming my vote since I put both in the last comment =P lmao)
 
Not sure honestly. Goku's current time limit is a disadvantage. Lightening can also inflict status ailments, some of which could prove detrimental. Conversely, Goku is constantly getting faster and stronger and, what I think is most impressive, he doesn't have to think to react. I think Goku also takes the range advantage, but both characters seem more likely to charge in for close combat, at first anyway. Lightening has some low regen that might help drag out the fight, leaving Goku weakened, but that might be a stretch for her regen.

Gonna have to go inconclusive for now.
 
PostmodernD said:
Not sure honestly. Goku's current time limit is a disadvantage. Lightening can also inflict status ailments, some of which could prove detrimental. Conversely, Goku is constantly getting faster and stronger and, what I think is most impressive, he doesn't have to think to react. I think Goku also takes the range advantage, but both characters seem more likely to charge in for close combat, at first anyway. Lightening has some low regen that might help drag out the fight, leaving Goku weakened, but that might be a stretch for her regen.
Gonna have to go inconclusive for now.
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Fact, If Goku had a decent time to fight with Ultra Instinct, I think he would definitely win.

Anyway, with the current conditions, I go to Goku with high difficulties, for reasons already explained
 
Well, in some weeks goku will regain the ultra instinct without the time limit anyways, so goku for reasons above.
 
Yeah, it's pretty much confirmed that UI is a new form and he will be getting it back so I don't think there will be a time limit to it.

Goku has already resistance to 2 of the main hax from Lightning - time and soul manipulation.

Since speed is equalised, Goku has the advantage with his Ultra-Instinct so he can dodge almost all attacks. Additionally he has reactive evolution so he can win by KO. And then he has Mafuba.

Voting for Goku.
 
She can still outlast him with her healing and defensive abilities as well as her ability to nerf Goku's stats with curses.

In addition, she's just as good of a close-combatant as him, is a better ranged combatant, and has a generally better mindset for battle.

Then there's the fact that she can ride Odin into battle and one-hit kill Goku with Zantetsuken.
 
Like has been said before, UI is a new form and there will be no more time limit in some weeks, and it doesn't matter if she is equal at close-combat, since goku will be always better with mastery of the self movement, not only that but goku is resistant to electricity manipulation, and Odin can only one-hit kill goku if he is weakened. Even if she nerf goku's stats, he have reactive evolution that cancels her curses.
 
@Therefir

There's no indication that Goku's self-improvement ability will be able to undo a stat increase or curses in general.

Goku still has no counter for Zantetsuken instantly killing him.

Lightning also has her own auto-counter ability, so Ultra Instinct isn't as useful as you might think.
 
Lightning via Odin, Curse, Imperil, Cure, Arise, Counter, and Army of One.

Basically she can wear down Goku while healing herself and then finishing him off.
 
@Reppuzan

Goku just need to dodge the Zantetsuken, and again the ability say that fells only weakened foes, and what stats decrease with her curses?
 
Where is Goku going to get the seal and a containment to use Mafuba?

Edit: Actually, I doubt he will even resort to it since Lightning isn't evil like Black or Zamasu.
 
I think what Repuzzan said makes sense. While I think Goku's reactive improvement is a good advantage, it just looks like Lightning has more to work with.

Changing my vote to Lightning.
 
KuuIchigo said:
Lightning via Odin, Curse, Imperil, Cure, Arise, Counter, and Army of One.
Basically she can wear down Goku while healing herself and then finishing him off.
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Once again Odin is just a invocation that his final attack insta kill foes who are weakened, goku can just Knock out her so arise is useless, she still take damage even using counter and that's nothing to ultra instinct, and army of ones is just a series of attacks.
 
UI is not infallible. Goku will be taking damage from counter and Lightning can evade attacks with it and he can't heal... so who do you think is going to out last who?

Odin can be used after Goku is all tired out from the constant damage.

Knocking her out. Now that isn't happening.
 
KuuIchigo said:
UI is not infallible. Goku will be taking damage from counter and Lightning can evade attacks with it and he can't heal... so who do you think is going to out last who?
Odin can be used after Goku is all tired out from the constant damage.

Knocking her out. Now that isn't happening.
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As far I know, she needs to evade in order to counter, and here say that occasionally evade enemy attacks.
 
Counterblow and Counterspell.

She can use Cursega in Lightning Returns.

And like I said, counter can be fixed by cure.

Edit: Forgot that counter can be comboed with evade.
 
KuuIchigo said:
Counterblow and Counterspell.
She can use Cursega in Lightning Returns.
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Do not you think that only applies to the game? I mean it's NLF say that she can counter any attack with that ability.
 
She can't counter any attack, but against Goku she might as well.

Just because it's not on her page doesn't mean she can't use them. Maybe someone forgot to add them. She is missing some abilities from her Sentinel, Synergist, and Saboteur role.
 
KuuIchigo said:
She can't counter any attack, but against Goku she might as well.
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Against someone who have auto-reflexes, that might be very difficult, and by your logic, goku get counter and evade permanently with ultra instinct.

Anyway I leave, I need to sleep ovo.
 
KuuIchigo said:
You just said her countering any attack is NLF, but Goku dodging everything is not NLF? See it goes both ways.
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I only said that might be very difficult, not imposible.
 
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