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Zuko vs Shouto
- Thread starter Maverick_Zero_X
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Todoroki's known for AoE and range spam, so Zuko's gonna have trouble avoiding. Zuko's best bet is to get up close, since he's unquestionably the better H2H fighter, but with the power and AoE of Todoroki's ice that's unlikely. My vote goes to Todoroki.
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Half and half FRA
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Zuko FRA
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How is this not a stomp for Todoroki. He has 7.5x Zuko's AP with ice, has over 5x his durability against fire, has more range and more aoe
All of Zuko's previous votes don't even count anymore because of Todoroki's upgrades, and his only win condition is impossible, as he has to get close to Todoroki.
Literally what reasons exist for Zuko winning this feasibily
All of Zuko's previous votes don't even count anymore because of Todoroki's upgrades, and his only win condition is impossible, as he has to get close to Todoroki.
Literally what reasons exist for Zuko winning this feasibily
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King of Wolves, if Shouto used fire to regulate his ice manipulation, Zuko could manipulate the fire to attack him. So if Zuko dodges his ice attacks, and combines Shoto's flames with his own, he's got it.
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Todoroki has 8B+ dura against flames so that won't be all that effective.
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I'm fairly confident Zuko can add his flames to Shoto's for more AP.
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Considering Shouto will be using his base flames (which are High 8C+) and not his maximum (which are 8B+) that won't mean anything.
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Oh, but it said 8B versions are being used.
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Todoroki is 8B with his basic ice
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Zuko fire + Shoto Fire = 8A AP.
8A AP > 8B Durability.
8A AP > 8B Durability.
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Even if he was using 8B flames to warm himelf (which he doesn't do in character) his ice is 97 tons and can block it. Zuko is 12 tons and Todoroki's max fire is 70 tons togethr it'd be 82 tons so no it won't be 8A
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How would Shoto move fast enough to block fire that close to him?
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You're argument was he'd dodge the ice, control the flames and add his on top to attack him he'd need to pull the flames towards himself to do hat so Shouto would have time to block it.
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Why couldn't Zuko just throw fire at Shoto, then redirect it into Shoto's burning side to combine their AP?
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Shouto doesn't use his 8B flames to warm up. Even if he used 8B flames to warm up he could still withstand it since the heat wouldn't even be 50% higher than his dura.
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Don't they have to stay in 8B?
I don't believe that Shoto is withstanding Zuko's flames combined with his own. Sorry, but I just don't.
I don't believe that Shoto is withstanding Zuko's flames combined with his own. Sorry, but I just don't.
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He doesn't have to use 8B flames to warm himself since it isn't an attack.
You don't have to believe it but simply put Todoroki can't be oneshot by 80 ton flames in this match
You don't have to believe it but simply put Todoroki can't be oneshot by 80 ton flames in this match
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Not every movement someone makes is 8B. Shouto's flames for heating himself aren't 8-B, I'd be skeptical of him even using high 8C flames for that. He's only using what's necessary to keep his body from reaching hypothermia, he's not trying to attack himself or something, that'd just be silly.
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If he's constantly throwing out giant 8B attacks, he'll probably need and an 8B fire to balance his temperature.
That just makes sense.
Zuko high difficulty.
That just makes sense.
Zuko high difficulty.
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That isn't how it works if he did he'd have killed Deku during their fight and scarred multiple people around him. Your vote has no reasoning.
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Except he doesn't. He could throw 8-B ice for a good while even while refusing to use his flames, and he always uses casual flames when offsetting his ice later. His ice is freezing massive areas around him, but all he needs to offset is the small part of that cold that affects him. If he were constantly putting out anything near the output that he uses with his ice, he'd be producing cold water instead.
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Given that Todoroki in character would lead off with 97 ton ice and Zuko's flames are 13 tons, I'd say this fight would be over fairly quickly. By the time Zuko could even attempt to melt the ice, Todoroki could keep restraining him with no side effects. He also has the stamina to keep it up for the entire duration of the comet.
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Can Zuko even bend Todoroki's Fire? It would literally be the most powerful fire Zuko has ever encountered in his life, wouldn't that affect his ability to bend it? Especially since he'd need to do it at range since he's dodging ice that can one shot him too?
Like I said, Zuko's win condition is incredibly improbable. I mean, his only way to damage Todoroki is by bending his fire to hit him back? And barely doing damage even with that? And that's assuming Todoroki even uses his fire for anything other than stopping his frostbite? And even then, Todoroki can just block said attack with his ice? Ridiculous win con for Zuko.
This match is a stomp, no doubt about it. Zuko is outclassed too heavily. They could start in close quarters and he'd still lose to Ice Spamington the First.
Like I said, Zuko's win condition is incredibly improbable. I mean, his only way to damage Todoroki is by bending his fire to hit him back? And barely doing damage even with that? And that's assuming Todoroki even uses his fire for anything other than stopping his frostbite? And even then, Todoroki can just block said attack with his ice? Ridiculous win con for Zuko.
This match is a stomp, no doubt about it. Zuko is outclassed too heavily. They could start in close quarters and he'd still lose to Ice Spamington the First.
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Zuko probably wouldn't get the chance to bend that level of flames since Todoroki would be unlikely to use them.
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We're not. We've already taken into consideration his flames and shown why it isn't enough to melt his ice and we've explained why Todoroki isn't going to be using flames strong enough to reverse and harm him. You've both attributed Todoroki a restriction he doesn't have and NLFing Zuko to have him control flames outside the range of the AP he's demonstrated. Give us a reason why or how we're underestimating him.
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Zuko's 8-B value is calculated while under Sozin's comet. How can we be underestimating anything when we have an exact value of 13 tons?
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Zuko with lightning would probably win.
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Zuko can generate lightning?
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I looked at the Avatar Wiki, and it said he could in the books. I might be wrong tho.
Why? Would Zuko actually win with lightning?
Why? Would Zuko actually win with lightning?
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No since ice could block it. I was just surprised he could.
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This is a mismatch.
He obviously has no way to even hit Shoto.
He obviously has no way to even hit Shoto.
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Zuko isn't capable of making lightning, not even in the comics.
Though he seems to have overcome his inner turmoil, he does not create lightning for the remainder of the series.
Though he seems to have overcome his inner turmoil, he does not create lightning for the remainder of the series.
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Could it be a possibilty?
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Maybe, but he was never shown using lightning in both the show and comics.
So he can't have it listed.
So he can't have it listed.
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Gotcha.
Like I said before, this is a mismatch.
Like I said before, this is a mismatch.
