Zhou Fan Nonduality Type 1 Possible Type 2

[Suimei_The_Phantom]

Hello, I want to try to make this thread about Zhou Fan who might be able to get nonduality type 1 possibly type 2, we will discuss yin-yang first in the magic emperor verse then move on to dao.

𝗬𝗶𝗻-𝗬𝗮𝗻𝗴 :

[1]. First. Yin - Yang, is a concept of duality where Yin - Yang is a form of 2 opposing opposites (Negation), Yin itself embraces Yang, and Yang embraces Yin, in other words, it is like 2 different and opposing opposites but exist side by side and complement each other, they are basically present not only to complement each other, but are "tied" to each other, if one of them is not there, everything will collapse. In scane [2] or as in this proof →“𝗕𝗿𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗭𝗵𝘂𝗼, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼𝗼 𝗽𝗼𝗹𝗶𝘁𝗲. 𝗜 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗸 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗮𝗱𝘃𝗶𝗰𝗲. 𝗛𝗼𝘄 𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗵𝗲𝘀𝘀 𝗴𝗮𝗺𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝘁𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝗯𝗹𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝗽𝗶𝗲𝗰𝗲𝘀 𝗯𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗲𝗱? 𝗛𝗼𝘄 𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗵𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗿𝘆 𝗯𝗲 𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗱? 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘄𝗲 𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝗱𝗼 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗵𝗼𝗹𝗲 𝗰𝗵𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗯𝗼𝗮𝗿𝗱. 𝗪𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗶𝘀 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗻𝗲𝗱 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝗽𝗶𝗲𝗰𝗲𝘀, 𝗯𝘂𝘁 𝗮𝗹𝘀𝗼 𝗯𝗹𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝗽𝗶𝗲𝗰𝗲𝘀. 𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗼𝘀 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝗯𝗲𝗴𝗮𝗻, 𝘆𝗶𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘆𝗮𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗼𝗲𝘅𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗱, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘄𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗼𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗯𝗹𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝘁𝗲. 𝗜𝗳 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗯𝗹𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝗽𝗶𝗲𝗰𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗿𝗼𝘄𝗻 𝗮𝘄𝗮𝘆, 𝗵𝗼𝘄 𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗼𝘂𝘁? 𝗧𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗲, 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘂𝗲 𝗺𝗲𝗮𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗧𝗮𝗼 𝗶𝘀 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗹𝗲𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗰𝘂𝘁 𝗼𝗳𝗳 𝗲𝘃𝗶𝗹 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀, 𝗯𝘂𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗹𝗲𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗰𝗼𝗲𝘅𝗶𝘀𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺. 𝗝𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝗺𝘆 𝘀𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗱, 𝗯𝗹𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗯𝗼𝗿𝗻 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿!” then explained again, Yin & Yang are described as 2 chess pieces (Black & White), they exist simultaneously, they complement each other, when the white piece is discarded (does not exist) then the black piece will not exist. They exist to complement each other, they cannot “exist” alone in the system (coexistential). And dao, plays a role as the core foundation of everything [3] or so→ “𝗛𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗦𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗶𝗴𝗻 𝗺𝗼𝗰𝗸𝗲𝗱, '𝗗𝗮𝗼 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗳𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗳 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻 𝗲𝘅𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲, 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗰𝗮𝗿𝗱𝗲𝗱 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝗮 𝗿𝗮𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗶𝗻𝘂𝘁𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗲𝗺𝗼𝗻𝗶𝗰 𝗽𝗮𝘁𝗵 𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗲𝗱. 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗹𝗱 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗮𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗱, 𝗻𝗼 𝗹𝗼𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗿 𝗰𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗗𝗮𝗼. 𝗪𝗵𝗮𝘁'𝘀 𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗶𝗳𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗲𝗺𝗼𝗻𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗵𝘂𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗶𝘁𝘆. 𝗔𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗛𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗦𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗶𝗴𝗻 𝗜 𝘀𝗵𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗶𝗻 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻'𝘀 𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗲𝗻𝗮𝗰𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗗𝗮𝗼 𝗯𝘆 𝗽𝘂𝗿𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗱𝗲𝗺𝗼𝗻𝘀. 𝗔𝘀 𝘀𝘂𝗰𝗵, 𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝘆𝗼𝘂'𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗯𝗼𝗿𝗻 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗲𝗺𝗼𝗻𝗶𝗰 𝗽𝗮𝘁𝗵, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗺𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝗯𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝗺𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗽𝗽𝗼𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝗺𝘆 𝗽𝗮𝘁𝗵.” In the sentence "Dao is the foundation of everything in existence" Dao is the main foundation or basis for everything that exists in reality, yin & yang, system, order, and everything. [4] → “𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗺𝗲 𝗕𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗜𝗺𝗺𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗮𝗹 𝗥𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗺... 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁'𝘀 𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁." 𝗙𝗮𝗻𝗴 𝗬𝘂'𝘀 𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗱𝗮𝗿𝗸𝗲𝗻𝗲𝗱. 𝗧𝗼 𝗯𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗯𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗹 𝗼𝗳 𝗮 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗵𝗮𝗱 𝗯𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝗱𝗲𝗮𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗵𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗿𝗲𝗱𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿𝘀 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗿𝗲𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝘆𝗶𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘆𝗮𝗻𝗴, 𝗯𝘂𝘁 𝗮𝗹𝘀𝗼 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗮𝘄 𝗼𝗳 𝗿𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻. 𝗜𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗮𝗻 𝗮𝗰𝘁 𝗮𝗴𝗮𝗶𝗻𝘀𝘁 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗼𝗼 𝗺𝘂𝗰𝗵.” Everything is based on dao and is governed by dao itself. If analogized, dao is the source of all systems and order in reality which also manifests Yin - Yang, which acts as 2 opposing and mutually negating Dao properties (Dual), and Dao is absolute existence, it is not the basic form of Yin - Yang which indicates that it is he who embodies and manifests Yin - Yang itself, this is a Nondual condition which cannot be defined (Not Yin & Not Yang). And Zhou Fan, has become dao itself [5] → “ 𝗭𝗵𝘂𝗼 𝗙𝗮𝗻 𝘀𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗶𝗻𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗶𝗻 𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗮 𝗳𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗸. "𝗧𝗿𝘂𝗲 𝗦𝗲𝗹𝗳 𝗔𝗿𝘁?" 𝗛𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗦𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗶𝗴𝗻 𝗺𝘂𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗱, "𝗥𝗲𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗻 𝘁𝗼 𝘀𝗲𝗹𝗳, 𝗺𝗲𝗿𝗴𝗲 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗹𝗱, 𝗵𝘂𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻 𝗯𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗻𝗲, 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗗𝗮𝗼. 𝗭𝗵𝘂𝗼 𝗙𝗮𝗻, 𝘆𝗼𝘂..." 𝗛𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗦𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗶𝗴𝗻 𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗱 𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗯𝘂𝘁 𝗭𝗵𝘂𝗼 𝗙𝗮𝗻 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗴𝗼𝗻𝗲. 𝗛𝗲 𝗹𝗼𝗼𝗸𝗲𝗱 𝗮𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗲𝗺𝗽𝘁𝘆 𝘀𝗽𝗮𝗰𝗲, "𝗛𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻, 𝗲𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗵 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝗽𝗮𝘁𝗵𝘀 𝘂𝗻𝗶𝘁𝗲𝗱, 𝗴𝗿𝗮𝘀𝗽𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗹𝗱. 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗪𝗼𝗿𝗹𝗱 𝗦𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗲, 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘃𝗲 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗺𝗲..." ”. As I have explained before that Dao is the main foundation of everything including Yin - Yang, Law, etc. Zhou Fan has become the dao itself which means that he has the same position as the dao itself, he has united with the dao, he is the "Dao" system itself, which means, every expression and emotion is equal to the "Dao" and the existence of the "Dao" system itself. So it can be concluded [1] Yin [2] Yang [3] Zhou Fan. And then you need to know first that there is only 1 dao and ZF has united with the dao itself or you could say the true dao - the dao I mean is the weak version of the dao and ZF unites everything and he has transformed into the dao 'itself' <[6]> there it was the moment when Zhou fan united the dao paths (the weaker dao) to make it the true dao & transformed into the dao itself, so that means he has transcended Yin-Yang

— 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗰𝗹𝘂𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻

Yin and Yang exist in two logical value : (Yin and Yang)

And the transcendental dao encompasses Yin and Yang, allowing them to exist in three logical value : (Between Not Yin and Not Yang)

— 𝗢𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗹𝗹

𝐙𝐡𝐨𝐮 𝐅𝐚𝐧 𝐓𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐘𝐢𝐧-𝐘𝐚𝐧𝐠 = 𝐍𝐨𝐧𝐝𝐮𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐓𝐲𝐩𝐞 𝟏 𝐏𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐓𝐲𝐩𝐞 𝟐

 

[Suimei_The_Phantom]

upppp

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

this is not nonduality

 

[Suimei_The_Phantom]

this is not nonduality

Can you explain why this isn't nonduality? Don't just say it isn't if there's no explanation?

 

[Suimei_The_Phantom]

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[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Can you explain why this isn't nonduality? Don't just say it isn't if there's no explanation?

Because nothing suggests yin and yang operate as mutually exclusive logical negations.

 

[Suimei_The_Phantom]

Because nothing suggests yin and yang operate as mutually exclusive logical negations.

What does it mean? It is clear that they are interconnected and negate each other, it is explained there that Yin-Yang itself is analogous to 2 black and white chess pieces, if black is lost then white will also be lost, this already indicates that they are interconnected and negate each other.

 

[Suimei_The_Phantom]

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[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

What does it mean? It is clear that they are interconnected and negate each other, it is explained there that Yin-Yang itself is analogous to 2 black and white chess pieces, if black is lost then white will also be lost, this already indicates that they are interconnected and negate each other.

This isn't proof of that. You'd need something like encompassing "true and false" "is and is not" and so on. This is just generic yin and yang stuff.

 

[Suimei_The_Phantom]

This isn't proof of that. You'd need something like encompassing "true and false" "is and is not" and so on. This is just generic yin and yang stuff.

I don't know if you read my whole thread or not, because Yin & Yang are 2 opposite things that simultaneously create everything like the law of reincarnation, like the law of life & death, the law of existence & non-existence, this is what I mean before there was anything, dao existed first before Yin-Yang & Yin-Yang itself was born by dao and Yin-Yang gave birth to everything including the laws of reincarnation, life and death, existence and non-existence.

 

[Robo432343]

you might wanna wait for this thread to finish

Nonduality, and the contradicting standards within it

I've been meaning to make this thread for quite some time but have been busy with IRL stuff, now that I got some free time, I'm getting this out of the way sooner than later. The entire standards on Nonduality is completely stupid and makes no sense to the point it just goes against the most...

vsbattles.com

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I don't know if you read my whole thread or not, because Yin & Yang are 2 opposite things that simultaneously create everything like the law of reincarnation, like the law of life & death, the law of existence & non-existence, this is what I mean before there was anything, dao existed first before Yin-Yang & Yin-Yang itself was born by dao and Yin-Yang gave birth to everything including the laws of reincarnation, life and death, existence and non-existence.

Being opposites is not enough for nonduality. None of this says existence and non-existence either.

 

[Suimei_The_Phantom]

Anda mungkin ingin menunggu utas ini selesai
[URL tidak jelas="benar"]https://vsbattles.com/threads/nondualitas-dan-standar-yang-bertentangan-di-dalamnya.182672/[/URL]

oke tapi, apa pendapatmu tentang thread yang saya jelaskan?

 

[Suimei_The_Phantom]

Menjadi berlawanan saja tidak cukup untuk nondualitas. Hal ini juga tidak menjelaskan keberadaan dan ketidakberadaan.

Okay okay, in your words being opposite is not enough right? There I have explained that Yin-Yang is not only opposite but negates each other, to explain existence & non-existence, Yin-Yang is enough, because why? Yin-Yang before the existence of anything they are the ones who create something, such as existence & non-existence

 

[Suimei_The_Phantom]

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[Hjdjdhf]

Your character's name is wrong. It should be Zhuo Fan instead of Zhou Fan.

 

[Vesxpura]

i disagree. until the nonduality standards are decided. this wouldnt qualify as p and ¬p. Unless you can prove it alteast encompasses existence and non existence as you claimed