1-A for Zhuo Fan?

[Vesxpura]

The void containing reality is simple: at the beginning, there is nothing; that is how the world begins. Then comes creation, and thus reality, knowing that it does indeed exist. The “lack” I am talking about is this void of nothingness, but this lack will be filled when creation comes. There is no transcendence. It is literally said that in this void, there were spheres that are the different worlds, which means that this void contains its worlds. There is no transcendence in itself.

When I talk about space, it is I who define it that way, but it is not a space; it is described as a darkness containing countless spheres of immaculate white, some gray and others black. Later, in God of the Heavenly Sword, this darkness is called the “infinite world” and the “supreme realm.”

My issue with this is that,as you described it, there already seems to be a clear hierarchy in this. The Darkness acts as a background until creation occurs. and not as a metaphysical space beyond space-time wholly. Not to mention theres no evidence to actually suggest it qualifies for QS in the first place.

The scans will have to be verified by someone else, as imgur is currently blocked.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

My issue with this is that,as you described it, there already seems to be a clear hierarchy in this. The Darkness acts as a background until creation occurs. and not as a metaphysical space beyond space-time wholly. Not to mention theres no evidence to actually suggest it qualifies for QS in the first place.

The scans will have to be verified by someone else, as imgur is currently blocked.

I understand what you mean. For my part, I have checked the terms and pinyin in Chinese, and darkness is described more as an infinite void containing countless worlds, which should normally scale Low 1-C in terms of cosmology. Zhuo Fan transcends several dualities, including that of life and death. He transcends the cycle of reincarnation, which is represented by the infernal path, a direct reference to Samsara in Buddhism, but I will prove that later, since Imgur is not usable, which should be enough for at least Low 1-A.

 

[Vesxpura]

Zhuo Fan transcends several dualities, including that of life and death. He transcends the cycle of reincarnation, which is represented by the infernal path, a direct reference to Samsara in Buddhism, but I will prove that later, since Imgur is not usable, which should be enough for at least Low 1-A.

Sorry but everything you mentioned isnt even a requirement nor qualification for Low 1-A. Its not even a qualification for any tier. Your just describing abilities

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Sorry but everything you mentioned isnt even a requirement nor qualification for Low 1-A. Its not even a qualification for any tier. Your just describing abilities

But transcending duality results in trans-duality and therefore level 1-A via qualitative superiority, as stated in the FAQ page and on the 1-A page itself.

 

[Agnaa]

But transcending duality results in trans-duality and therefore level 1-A via qualitative superiority, as stated in the FAQ page and on the 1-A page itself.

no

Nonduality is only for logical dualities, not generic ones like "life and death" (rocks "transcend" that duality, they're not 1-A).

And having Nonduality is not sufficient for 1-A. You will not be able to pull a quote from the FAQ or Tiering System pages which says that.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

no

Nonduality is only for logical dualities, not generic ones like "life and death" (rocks "transcend" that duality, they're not 1-A).

And having Nonduality is not sufficient for 1-A. You will not be able to pull a quote from the FAQ or Tiering System pages which says that.

Characters or objects residing in higher states of existence surpassing material composition as a whole, and who are therefore completely unreachable and inaccessible to any and all extensions of the aforementioned structures. Their superiority over such realms, as such, is purely "qualitative"; based entirely on the ontological quality and nature of their existence, rather than any quantitative or numerical principle.

To put it simply: It is superiority over lesser things that involves no element of quantity, or amount, in any manner whatsoever. It, instead, hinges entirely on the nature of the character's existence and ontology. In general, all characters with such superiority over lesser things are 1-A.

On the other hand, characters with transduality exist outside and independently of the logical systems that they're nondual regarding while also possessing qualitative superiority to them.


Thus, unless I am mistaken, the duality of life and death is also based on a logical system, because without life there is no death, and without death there is no life. This is a fundamental principle that we all know. And the duality of life and death is second only to that of yin and yang, which governs the universe and gives rise to infinite possibilities, knowing that yin and yang come from the void of the Dao, which gave birth to all creation. Yin and yang gave birth to the four elements, which in turn gave birth to the eight trigrams, and so on. But in the case of life and death, how could it be a generic and non-logical duality, knowing that it is part of the dualities that govern the universe of the Emperor-Mage via the infernal path, itself one of the celestial laws governing the entire universe?

The famous philosopher Stéphane Lupasco talks about the logic of energy and explains that Life and Death are polar opposites that operate within a logical system of contradictory duality.
So even a philosopher clearly states that the duality of life and death is a duality operating on a logical system, and other articles and studies have been written on this subject, discussing this paradox as a fundamental mystery of existence. Yet another study differentiates it from a genetic duality, which would rather be that of men and women with X and Y chromosomes.

 

[Agnaa]

Characters or objects residing in higher states of existence surpassing material composition as a whole, and who are therefore completely unreachable and inaccessible to any and all extensions of the aforementioned structures. Their superiority over such realms, as such, is purely "qualitative"; based entirely on the ontological quality and nature of their existence, rather than any quantitative or numerical principle.

To put it simply: It is superiority over lesser things that involves no element of quantity, or amount, in any manner whatsoever. It, instead, hinges entirely on the nature of the character's existence and ontology. In general, all characters with such superiority over lesser things are 1-A.

On the other hand, characters with transduality exist outside and independently of the logical systems that they're nondual regarding while also possessing qualitative superiority to them.

That quote is fabricated; those lines aren't said in sequence. The first paragraph is from the Tiering System page, the second paragraph is from the Tiering System FAQ, and the last is from the Nonduality page. They aren't meant to be read in concert, "on the other hand" is not referencing that 1-A stuff.

The Nonduality page wasn't updated when the Tiering System was, so some of its wording is inconsistent with our current standards. Accordingly, the page is currently being revised here.

If we are to supplant our standards onto it (which we can do), it would be that characters get Transduality by being Nondual and having sufficient evidence for qualitative superiority in other places. Nonduality plus a vague statement of transcendence isn't enough, just as how a vague transcendence over a universe wouldn't be enough for 1-A. In other words, Transduality is not a way of reaching 1-A, it's a label we apply to Nonduality on 1-A characters.

Thus, unless I am mistaken, the duality of life and death is also based on a logical system, because without life there is no death, and without death there is no life. This is a fundamental principle that we all know. And the duality of life and death is second only to that of yin and yang, which governs the universe and gives rise to infinite possibilities, knowing that yin and yang come from the void of the Dao, which gave birth to all creation. Yin and yang gave birth to the four elements, which in turn gave birth to the eight trigrams, and so on. But in the case of life and death, how could it be a generic and non-logical duality, knowing that it is part of the dualities that govern the universe of the Emperor-Mage via the infernal path, itself one of the celestial laws governing the entire universe?

The famous philosopher Stéphane Lupasco talks about the logic of energy and explains that Life and Death are polar opposites that operate within a logical system of contradictory duality.
So even a philosopher clearly states that the duality of life and death is a duality operating on a logical system, and other articles and studies have been written on this subject, discussing this paradox as a fundamental mystery of existence. Yet another study differentiates it from a genetic duality, which would rather be that of men and women with X and Y chromosomes.

Operating within a logical system does not mean that it is a logical duality. Our Nonduality page explains what we mean by "logical dualities". If you're still confused after reading it, then I'm not sure what I could say that would explain that.

 

[Hayato5652]

I disagree, The OP hasn’t provided any evidence to justify qualitative scaling, and I recommend that for Tier 1-A, R > F is required, along with additional supporting evidence for Tier 1-A

 

[Hjdjdhf]

Did not see R>F

 

[FinePoint]

While this vague language could in theory be 1-A, I disagree due to the antifeats and general portrayal not following that.

For example, seeing universes as bubbles you can pop implies they're ontologically similar to you, just small and fragile, and along with other mentions of moving through space and time, etc, we can be pretty sure this isn't just a metaphor.