If the admins look at this forum, I hope it will be approved as soon as possible.
I think this is enough
A character must transcend death and life to kill Zeref, and Natsu cannot kill Zeref either, only dealing lethal damage, which is what happens due to the plot. Natsu's scarf protects Natsu from Ankhseram and Zeref is unaffected by Life and Death. Zeref is completely independent and superior to life and death. The devil in Zeref's books, Memonto Mori, confirms this, so ND1 seems logical.
Since Zeref wants to resurrect his brother, Ankhseram, the god of life and death, comes into play. You support my claim by saying that he is almost outside life and death. We see many times in the series that Zeref defeated the god of life and death, and that life and death do not affect him.
… what are you waffling about? Are you referring to when I say Mard’s statement could potentially support the CRT’s proposal? Cuz that is specifically if the statement was in a vacuum and we weren’t constantly told that Zeref is alive, wants to die, died to death hax, could possibly die to the power of Igneel (cough power of the dead cough) etc.
Technically someone cannot be dead regardless of life and death and is there a panel where Igneel can kill Zeref where exactly does this take place?
When Natsu first goes to confront Zeref, Invel and their army. Zeref straight up tells us that Natsu could kill him with Igneel’s power. Note that Igneel can’t do it (no reason for Natsu’s existence if he could) and it has nothing to do with him in particular, just that Natsu had the opportunity to use his magic after he died which served as a valid way to end the CoC.
As a result, isn't this a hyperbole? I mean, no one has been able to kill Zeref in the series so far.
My guy. How did you read my post and conclude that it is hyperbole? Also, what do you mean no one has been able to kill Zeref? Bro has been dead for over a year in the setting and for over half a decade in publication history. Am I tweaking rn? Did I mysteriously go back in time to before Mavis and Zeref got murder-suicided?
Isn't Natsu with END the only person that can kill Zeref permanently?
I didn't open this as an add-on, I opened it as a question and answer because I don't have full knowledge of nd1.
He was personally created to kill Zeref and gives him a special scarf to protect him from the ankhseram. It was created to kill Zeref. This does not mean that he will kill, he could not kill Zeref in the war anyway, he was given the chance to reincarnate by Ankhseram.
Zeref is not dead. In his last battle with Natsu, Ankhseram gives Zeref and Mavis one more chance and imprisons them in Natsu's mind. Natsu cannot kill Zeref.
I know that being free from the concepts of life and death gives immo 5 or 6, I'm not sure
For me it is 100% valid for type 8 immortality reliant in the concepts of Life and Death.
The main reason for opening this question and answer is that I do not have much information about nd1. I have already proven that Zeref is independent of life and death, but the problem is that there are characters that can kill Zeref. If we reach a clear conclusion in the discussion, I will present more arguments in CRT.
It makes sense, Zeref already gets immo8 from the fairy heart.
I'm not saying it's beyond life and death, I'm saying it's independent of life and death. Zeref is a stronger being than Ankhseram. You just have to be superior to life and death to kill Zeref. I didn't say Zeref is superior to life and death.
My own opinion is that Zeref transcends life and death, and from here transduality 1 is more appropriate because not only these, but also good and evil, life and death, light and darkness, and space between If we include the binaries in time, approximately zeref is more than 4 binaries, so td1 would be more logical.
Duality has been removed and replaced by nonduality, regardless of whether it is independent or transcendent, it gives ND1. Zeref is separate from life and death. Zeref creates Natsu to kill Zeref himself, so I find it natural that Natsu damages Zeref, which is independent of death and life, and also in cases such as regeneration and ankhseram not being used in the fairy heart.
Normally, yes, but Zeref tells Natsu that you cannot kill me, and one of the purposes of Natsu's creation was to kill Zeref, but that failed, and Zeref reincarnated with Anksheram.
Zeref giving Natsu the strap to protect him from Ankhseram also allows him to deal damage because that scarf absorbs Ankhseram energy.
There are parts of what I agree with when he says, but Zeref goes beyond what I said and at the same time, Zeref cannot use the mid godly regen in the fairy heart form because it reduces the effect of anksheram. (This happens with Fairy Heart, since its absolute purpose is to get rid of Anksheram.)
Yes, I think you should open a CRT about this, I will support you.
Defeating the god of life and death does not constitute qualitative transcendence, so the transcendence part is ambiguous.
later
(At the same time, you cannot kill someone who has transcended life and death with life and death. Transduality still makes sense to me)
Transduality 1 does not require qualitative transcendence
