Zeno EE resistance

[ZillertheBucko]

and for people who are looking at this thread, you actually need to read the entirety of the original post before coming up with a silly counterargument
sorry for sounding rude
not sorry if you are literally ruining the thread with incomplete, redundant and disproved arguments

 

[Purgy]

Disagree FRA

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Disagree FRA

massive bruh moment but whatever, feel free to be wrong I literally can't stop you

 

[RisingIons]

Bruh if Zamasu literslly MERGED with the universe than Zeno could “harm” him at any point since he exists everywhere and every when. He doesn’t have to make some ultra big ball for that to happen.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Bruh if Zamasu literslly MERGED with the universe than Zeno could “harm” him at any point since he exists everywhere and every when. He doesn’t have to make some ultra big ball for that to happen.

1. merging with the universe doesn't mean merging with literally the ENTIRETY of the universe, otherwise again, they would literally be breathing zamasu air and wearing zamasu shoes and stuff. infinite in size he maybe is, but he doesn't seem to be the entire universe with no exception but regardless, feel free to prove that point wrong (if you can) since the more important thing here is:
2. Zeno literally had no idea what was going on, he had no idea that zamasu was fused with the universe, and he is not omniscient. and besides, this is the same argument flaw as before, just because he COULD do something doesn't mean he did it, and just because he DIDN'T NEED TO do something doesn't mean he didn't do it, especially when it is literally shown he did

 

[Nullflowerblush]

merging with the universe doesn't mean merging with literally the ENTIRETY of the universe

Low 2-C Infinite Zamasu downgrade??

 

[RisingIons]

I don’t even know what point 2 is saying but point 1…..that isn’t how universes work.

 

[Tarang123]

merging with the universe doesn't mean merging with literally the ENTIRETY of the universe, otherwise again, they would literally be breathing zamasu air and wearing zamasu shoes and stuff. infinite in size he maybe is, but he doesn't seem to be the entire universe with no exception but regardless, feel free to prove that point wrong (if you can) since the more important thing here is:

So...downgrade? He's the entire universe, fused with the space-time itself lol. That's what we know of him.

Zeno literally had no idea what was going on, he had no idea that zamasu was fused with the universe, and he is not omniscient. and besides, this is the same argument flaw as before, just because he COULD do something doesn't mean he did it, and just because he DIDN'T NEED TO do something doesn't mean he didn't do it, especially when it is literally shown he did

I don't even get what you're saying, it's not even coherent at this point, no offense. Why don't you make a structured summarization of your argument.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

1. this theory still completely ignores the rule of you having to actually prove it.
2. you're just going to say that zeno was completely engulfed in the existence erasing attack yet actually made no contact with it? He didn't even move a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of the distance of an atom at all? are gonna add hyper precision and perfect energy control on his profile too because of this?
3. again, it was accepted that he touched it back when it was considered a ki blast, but now that it's EE, people have decided that EE resistance is the devil or something and now absolutely need to make up excuses and a perfectly formed scenario with no evidence to make the claim that zeno can't resist EE. impressive

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I don’t even know what point 2 is saying but point 1…..that isn’t how universes work.

the 2nd point is that Zeno literally had no clue that zamasu had fused with the universe, it is not hard to understand at all
the 1st point wasn't that important anyways so I was just throwing that out there for consideration

 

[ZillertheBucko]

also I'm extremely annoyed with the fact that people are clearly not reading the full original post and decide to come up with "counterarguments" anyways
please......just read the damn post, chances are if your argument makes any sense at all then I've already covered it there or in another reply
if people are not gonna read the original post then you're essentially just gonna be filling up the chat for absolutely no reason, and then typical db thread stuff ensues
it literally is not that long bruh just don't be lazy

 

[Nullflowerblush]

you're just going to say that zeno was completely engulfed in the existence erasing attack yet actually made no contact with it?

Again, nothing was engulfed. It was selectively removed from existence.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Again, nothing was engulfed. It was selectively removed from existence.

your eyes
use them please

 

[ZillertheBucko]

and again, I will literally say this a thousand times if I have to
THERE IS NOTHING SELECTIVE ABOUT ZENO ERASING THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE WHEN HE HADN'T EVEN KNOWN ABOUT ZAMASU UP UNTIL THAT POINT. HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT ZAMASU HAD FUSED WITH IT, ALL HE WAS DOING WAS ERASING THE UNIVERSE WHICH ZAMASU HAPPENED TO HAVE FUSED WITH AT THE TIME.
He was not being discriminate, he was just erasing the entire universe
he is visibly touching it, you can look at it yourself he is visibly touching it literally
there is literally not a single frame in which there is any kind of gap between zeno and the EE. IF HE WASN'T TOUCHING IT THEN THEY WOULD HAVE ANIMATED IT THAT WAY

 

[Tarang123]

your eyes
use them please

Ngl, but the toxicity and passive agressiveness needs to stop. Resistance isn't given like this and especially for such dumb reasoning.

 

[Teezar]

I disagree and I gave my points In the previous thread.

 

[Tarang123]

THERE IS NOTHING SELECTIVE ABOUT ZENO ERASING THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE WHEN HE HADN'T EVEN KNOWN ABOUT ZAMASU UP UNTIL THAT POINT. HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT ZAMASU HAD FUSED WITH IT, ALL HE WAS DOING WAS ERASING THE UNIVERSE WHICH ZAMASU HAPPENED TO HAVE FUSED WITH AT THE TIME.

yes, but he knew that the world must need to be erased, he blatantly states that LLLLLL.

he is visibly touching it, you can look at it yourself he is visibly touching it literally

Again, putting resistance for mere appearance instead of an outright statements such as "Zeno is so powerful, he can't even erase himself", that would be a resistance, not whatever the **** you've been spouting. Also, I doubt anyone wants to read the OP cause of how cluttered and disorganized it is. Please make a more structured argument.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

You seem to think the light erases things.
It does not.
We have seen that it does not.
Your argument hinges on a misunderstanding of how his ability works.
You have been repeating the same nonsensical argument for the past two days.
This argument is not sound.
Why do you keep pushing an argument that is inherently broken?

 

[Vexzito]

Doesn't universe 6, while covered in EE; do some goodbye speech and get supported/cheered on by their universe then get erased? Jiren had quite the conversation while he's covered by EE but gets erased later rather than on contact, same with a few characters like Cabba and Champa. Definitely doesn't look like it erases on contact to me.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Ngl, but the toxicity and passive agressiveness needs to stop. Resistance isn't given like this and especially for such dumb reasoning.

the reasoning is fine, but it's no surprise you'd say something like this after blatantly admitting to not reading the original post
I'm only mad because of the fact that the wiki somehow doesn't give a **** if people simply vote on topics that they don't know shit about, and vote about posts that they haven't read

also it has been shown time and time again that this wiki is full of actually beyond insane people, especially when it comes to this subject, and I don't feel like leaving this thread open long enough for more of them to come in here with their votes

yes, but he knew that the world must need to be erased, he blatantly states that LLLLLL.


Again, putting resistance for mere appearance instead of an outright statements such as "Zeno is so powerful, he can't even erase himself", that would be a resistance, not whatever the **** you've been spouting. Also, I doubt anyone wants to read the OP cause of how cluttered and disorganized it is. Please make a more structured argument.

1. He decided that the world needed to be erased, but only because "he's annoying" and not because he had any clue about zamasu being the universe itself, he wasn't being selective and that's not debatable
2. if they don't wanna read it then they should literally just not be voting, but the wiki allows it (which is another level of bullshit) so I can't stop them anyways
but if you had actually read it, I covered everything worth debunking

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Doesn't universe 6, while covered in EE; do some goodbye speech and get supported/cheered on by their universe then get erased? Jiren had quite the conversation while he's covered by EE but gets erased later rather than on contact, same with a few characters like Cabba and Champa. Definitely doesn't look like it erases on contact to me.

that's only a white outline, and we see that when they're actually being erased they become more white and they're not actually completely covered in it
also the selective erasure has been established to be different than what he did in the zamasu scene so, not really a big deal
probably the best counterargument I've seen so far in the thread, I'll give you that, but I still don't say that the scene means much honestly

 

[Tarang123]

the reasoning is fine, but it's no surprise you'd say something like this after blatantly admitting to not reading the original post

I did, tho...that's why I said to make a more structured argument lmao.

I'm only mad because of the fact that the wiki somehow doesn't give a **** if people simply vote on topics that they don't know shit about, and vote about posts that they haven't read

The wiki doesn't give a shit about dumbass arguments, this one might be one of them.

also it has been shown time and time again that this wiki is full of actually beyond insane people, especially when it comes to this subject, and I don't feel like leaving this thread open long enough for more of them to come in here with their votes

Lol, when your argument isn't going in your favor, you start sticking with the insults, now. Lmaoooooo

He decided that the world needed to be erased, but only because "he's annoying" and not because he had any clue about zamasu being the universe itself, he wasn't being selective and that's not debatable

Prove that, prove that he didn't know that Zamasu wasn't the entire universe. He erased the entire universe/multiverse because he found Zamasu annoying, that's literally one of the only reasons.

if they don't wanna read it then they should literally just not be voting, but the wiki allows it (which is another level of bullshit) so I can't stop them anyways
but if you had actually read it, I covered everything worth debunking

There's a difference. You shouldn't be blaming others for having a shitty OP. That's your fault, and you're required to make things easier to understand and more coherent.

 

[Purgy]

the reasoning is fine, but it's no surprise you'd say something like this after blatantly admitting to not reading the original post
I'm only mad because of the fact that the wiki somehow doesn't give a **** if people simply vote on topics that they don't know shit about, and vote about posts that they haven't read

also it has been shown time and time again that this wiki is full of actually beyond insane people, especially when it comes to this subject, and I don't feel like leaving this thread open long enough for more of them to come in here with their votes

1. He decided that the world needed to be erased, but only because "he's annoying" and not because he had any clue about zamasu being the universe itself, he wasn't being selective and that's not debatable
2. if they don't wanna read it then they should literally just not be voting, but the wiki allows it (which is another level of bullshit) so I can't stop them anyways
but if you had actually read it, I covered everything worth debunking

Feel free to be wrong

 

[ZillertheBucko]

You seem to think the light erases things.
It does not.
We have seen that it does not.
Your argument hinges on a misunderstanding of how his ability works.
You have been repeating the same nonsensical argument for the past two days.
This argument is not sound.
Why do you keep pushing an argument that is inherently broken?

"your argument is wrong because it's wrong" ok bro cool
"You're misunderstanding how the ability works" ok bro thanks for failing to prove that this entire time

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I proved it last time. I don't really have the care to do it again.
Just cross-examine the threads or something -- ionno.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I did, tho...that's why I said to make a more structured argument lmao.

cool, but you still haven't had a solid counterargument

The wiki doesn't give a shit about dumbass arguments, this one might be one of them.

thanks for not proving that

Lol, when your argument isn't going in your favor, you start sticking with the insults, now. Lmaoooooo

I think I've made it pretty clear that I've been "insulting" everybody since the very start
and this is still completely in my favor logically, but considering nobody is listening it might just not go through because funny wiki system being bad

Prove that, prove that he didn't know that Zamasu wasn't the entire universe. He erased the entire universe/multiverse because he found Zamasu annoying, that's literally one of the only reasons.

because he isn't omniscient? because he had no way or opportunity of finding out?
because he literally asks "did you do this?" to goku
that should probably be satisfactory enough for you I'd hope

There's a difference. You shouldn't be blaming others for having a shitty OP. That's your fault, and you're required to make things easier to understand and more coherent.

ok then, I'm not opposed to improving the thread in a way that creates less drama
maybe you could tell me something that's wrong with the structure of the argument, and then I could have the thread closed or something and remake the original post? it would be preferrable if it didn't turn out the same as this one at least

 

[RisingIons]

I don’t understand why you’re pushing this agenda so hard. I think you should drop it until you get better proof honestly because I’m not seeing it.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I don’t understand why you’re pushing this agenda so hard. I think you should drop it until you get better proof honestly because I’m not seeing it.

I mean, I know that my argument makes sense but I am starting to feel like there was some kind of a miscommunication with how I presented the proof?
I probably shoulda realized sooner that just insulting everybody while trying to prove my point may have made it a lot harder to see what I was trying to say so
I'm willing to postpone this thing, but I do believe that the proof I need is actually there

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I mean especially since things have been accepted over what I believe is less, is what makes it more annoying as well
that's part of why I'm insisting that this be added as well

 

[Tarang123]

because he isn't omniscient? because he had no way or opportunity of finding out?
because he literally asks "did you do this?" to goku
that should probably be satisfactory enough for you I'd hope

Wow, brilliant argumentation right there lol.

ok then, I'm not opposed to improving the thread in a way that creates less drama
maybe you could tell me something that's wrong with the structure of the argument, and then I could have the thread closed or something and remake the original post? it would be preferrable if it didn't turn out the same as this one at least

Finally, we can have some actual discussion. Honestly you just need spacing along with just better organization for them. It makes the thread go by faster and it’s easier for others to read.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

This is really heated woah.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Wow, brilliant argumentation right there lol.

Schrodinger's sarcasm
the scariest kind

Finally, we can have some actual discussion. Honestly you just need spacing along with just better organization for them. It makes the thread go by faster and it’s easier for others to read.

ok, I'll probably try to make the organization more similar to other crts I've seen (the actual successful ones of course)
in a new thread, since the fact that it's gotten this bad probably is enough reason to restart


anyways I guess a moderator should close this unless somebody else has something new to say now

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Zeno erased the Universes.... just that. Nothing implies he tried to erase his body. :V

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Zeno erased the Universes.... just that. Nothing implies he tried to erase his body. :V

I think it'll be easier to understand in the next thread why
but the main three points that I've tried to prove are
1. the light beam erases on contact
2. zeno touched it and it and didn't get erased
3. zeno can't decide that a person can touch it and not be erased

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Disagree FRA

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I think it'll be easier to understand in the next thread why
but the main three points that I've tried to prove are
1. the light beam erases on contact
2. zeno touched it and it and didn't get erased
3. zeno can't decide that a person can touch it and not be erased

The problem is the light beam erasing stuff is iffy, zeno didn't touch it, he was sinply engulfed by it, but he is it's source so it doesn't make sense he touched it. And yes zeno can selevt who he erases with scary precise detail, you're contradicting yourself here.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

The problem is the light beam erasing stuff is iffy, zeno didn't touch it, he was sinply engulfed by it, but he is it's source so it doesn't make sense he touched it. And yes zeno can selevt who he erases with scary precise detail, you're contradicting yourself here.

the main thing about that is that erasing things normally and using the omnidirectional light beam thing is different
we could use the GoD hakai as an example again, since that somewhat is comparable to this situation
beerus erasing zamasu normally is an example of the hakai being precise, meanwhile the hakai "energy balls" that we see in different situations can be interacted with and stuff
anyways the point that matters is that not all erasing attacks are the same in dragon ball, and zeno completely controlling the erasure of specific things doesn't need to be consistent with his non selective erasing
I'm unsure what the relation is between hakai and zeno's erasure is, but both are attacks that serve essentially the same purpose, one just seems to be more potent
also the fact the light expanded from zeno's own hands makes it more likely that he's actually touching it, since it would have expanded to his face and stuff as well (it's omnidirectional so)

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

the main thing about that is that erasing things normally and using the omnidirectional light beam thing is different
we could use the GoD hakai as an example again, since that somewhat is comparable to this situation
beerus erasing zamasu normally is an example of the hakai being precise, meanwhile the hakai "energy balls" that we see in different situations can be interacted with and stuff
anyways the point that matters is that not all erasing attacks are the same in dragon ball, and zeno completely controlling the erasure of specific things doesn't need to be consistent with his non selective erasing
I'm unsure what the relation is between hakai and zeno's erasure is, but both are attacks that serve essentially the same purpose, one just seems to be more potent
also the fact the light expanded from zeno's own hands makes it more likely that he's actually touching it, since it would have expanded to his face and stuff as well (it's omnidirectional so)

Exactly, the light beam is an outlier compared to all the other examples of zeno's erasure, so saying it erases stuff is iffy. Why are you using hakai to compare zeno's massively superior erase?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Exactly, the light beam is an outlier compared to all the other examples of zeno's erasure, so saying it erases stuff is iffy. Why are you using hakai to compare zeno's massively superior erase?

well the light beam isn't an outlier because it doesn't contradict his other erases
it would just be considered a different way of doing the same thing, kinda like how goku has like multiple kamehamehas or something I believe
anyways
also hakai is inferior yeah, but it still to some extent helps it be more believable that there is more than one way to erase people in dbs