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Incon FRA I guess
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Zelda vs Esdeath
- Thread starter The_real_cal_howard
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Triforce is trying to say that Esdeath would Time Stop to avoid the light arrows and Danmaku, Which she would
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I was talking about Esdeath.
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Speed equal
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Except sealing, Shaeikah training, etc. Zelda has way to counter close combat.
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She literally just needs to raise her hand.
She does in HW
Also, ST Zelda has combat experience.
Also, ST Zelda has combat experience.
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yeah, I highly doubt Zelda is going to try to seal someone like her, she seals Ganon because he just won't die and he really leaves her no choice.
She possessed a phantom's body with a complete set of armor, shield and sword, something Zelda never uses anyway and doesn't have on her own
Although Zelda did use a sword in twilight princess but it came from possessed Zelda anyway
She possessed a phantom's body with a complete set of armor, shield and sword, something Zelda never uses anyway and doesn't have on her own
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So, basically the same here ovo. Also Esdeath only fights in range iirc, so Zelda won't need to fight in close combat.
I was talking about experience, not weaponry.
I was talking about experience, not weaponry.
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Esdeath doesn't fight in range, she always starts by attacking with her rapier while using her ice abilites.
And what experience does she have? she used the phantom's body to carry link around and tank massive hits, while attacking with the broadsword. it's out of anything that Zelda usually can do and it's not how she fights at all, nor is it the way Esdeath fights so having a meomorized pattern isn't gonna work for her either.
I'm leaning towards Esdeath tbh, Zelda only has one or two shots before Esdeath reaches her and ends it.
And what experience does she have? she used the phantom's body to carry link around and tank massive hits, while attacking with the broadsword. it's out of anything that Zelda usually can do and it's not how she fights at all, nor is it the way Esdeath fights so having a meomorized pattern isn't gonna work for her either.
I'm leaning towards Esdeath tbh, Zelda only has one or two shots before Esdeath reaches her and ends it.
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The entire End fight is her spamming nothing but range actually
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Current vote btw?
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2 inconclusive.
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Huh,if that case i voting inconclusive FRA then.
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Nope
Konaguna voted Esdeath
And I also vote Esdeath, Sealing isn't 100% guaranteed to work if Esdeath gets up close and manages to surrond her in Ice before she gets the chance for her sealing to proc and that's 50/50
The other involves Zelda getting owned
Konaguna voted Esdeath
And I also vote Esdeath, Sealing isn't 100% guaranteed to work if Esdeath gets up close and manages to surrond her in Ice before she gets the chance for her sealing to proc and that's 50/50
The other involves Zelda getting owned
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Huh? Then i guess it wrong then,Esdeath FRA.
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Ok so I actually was able to watch the video and
My god that takes way too long to use before she gets killed and the attack is easy to anticipate
My god that takes way too long to use before she gets killed and the attack is easy to anticipate
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An Area of Effect is not going to hit Esdeath 200 meters or even 100 meters away before she anticipates and stops time
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You're kinda ignoring that the thing is much faster than Zelda or most of her attacks (except Light Arrows). Which means it's also much faster than Esdeath as she's equalized to Zelda's speed. The whole thing probably took less than a (perceived) second given how easily it blitzed the guardians (they appeared still in comparison to the sealing) and prevented the first one from shooting, and given how fast it was beeping, it was quite close.
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The entire point of "Speed Equal" is to "Ignore The Speed Gap" so obviously I'm ignoring Speed Related points.
"Much faster" is completely moot in a speed Equalized, which Equalizes everything.
And that's assuming that Esdeath literally lets her Raise her hand and keep it that way until the AoE actually occurs.
Are we actually arguing that an AoE 200 meters away that takes seconds to charge and is so obvious to perceive will speed blitz Esdeath in a speed equal match?
"Much faster" is completely moot in a speed Equalized, which Equalizes everything.
And that's assuming that Esdeath literally lets her Raise her hand and keep it that way until the AoE actually occurs.
Are we actually arguing that an AoE 200 meters away that takes seconds to charge and is so obvious to perceive will speed blitz Esdeath in a speed equal match?
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It doesn't completely ignore speed. In Assault's CRT it was agreed iirc that attacks aren't completely equalized but they're "scaled" to the user's normal speed. For example, if someone whose speed is 0.5c can use a light speed attack, then in speed equalized matches the attack is going to be x2 the attacker's speed.
And it doesn't take seconds to charge, otherwise that guardian would have shoot them. In game, when a guardian reaches that beeping frequency, it's going to shoot between 1,5 and 2,5 seconds, or around 1 second before it starts charging the attack, something he didn't even manage to do, which is probably even less given how quickly that beeping escalated in comparison to the game. The scene is clearly stopped in time, and you can also realize that as you can't hear the beeping anymore.
And it doesn't take seconds to charge, otherwise that guardian would have shoot them. In game, when a guardian reaches that beeping frequency, it's going to shoot between 1,5 and 2,5 seconds, or around 1 second before it starts charging the attack, something he didn't even manage to do, which is probably even less given how quickly that beeping escalated in comparison to the game. The scene is clearly stopped in time, and you can also realize that as you can't hear the beeping anymore.
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Zelda's weak. Esdeath is the Empire's strongest general, she has been killing dangerous beasts since she was a child, she has buried over 40000 soldiers, She was soloing majority of the verses top tiers.
Zelda is a child who has no combat experience and gets owned by literally every fodder villain out there. She was overpowered by Ganon numerous time, conceded to Zant, Vaati owned her more than once, She lost to Yuga, Ganon smacked her once and she fainted, Calamity Ganon was severely weakened from the fight, and it's been like this every time. She can't fight on her own, she can only support stronger characters like Link. and she's almost never shown any ability to save herself from a tricky situation
Esdeath isn't Ganon, she seals him specifically because he won't die. It's not in here character to seal off every single thing, and even then she needs time to gather energy, it was like that in BOTW, FSA...
Zelda is a child who has no combat experience and gets owned by literally every fodder villain out there. She was overpowered by Ganon numerous time, conceded to Zant, Vaati owned her more than once, She lost to Yuga, Ganon smacked her once and she fainted, Calamity Ganon was severely weakened from the fight, and it's been like this every time. She can't fight on her own, she can only support stronger characters like Link. and she's almost never shown any ability to save herself from a tricky situation
Esdeath isn't Ganon, she seals him specifically because he won't die. It's not in here character to seal off every single thing, and even then she needs time to gather energy, it was like that in BOTW, FSA...
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Btw, Zelda, along with every 6-B and High 6-B is going to be downgraded because storm things. So the match is outdated.
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ik, match is outdated but idk if Esdeath's experience counts if she just pretty much stomped all the enemies she ever had
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Ah revisions. A cruel mistress indeed.
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Assault's Revision got turned down so there goes that argument 
BTW seriously using one half of the cutscene to prove how fast it shoots but ignoring the other half for the sake of making Zelda's sealing seem faster isn't a good reason for how quick it is, you can't use one but ignore the other.
BTW seriously using one half of the cutscene to prove how fast it shoots but ignoring the other half for the sake of making Zelda's sealing seem faster isn't a good reason for how quick it is, you can't use one but ignore the other.
