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Zanza vs Darkseid
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Wow, this is a neat match.
Off the bat, I'd say that Zanza's constant visions would prove a real threat to Darkseid, as he knows everything that he's going to do.
However, I see that Darkseid has mind control. How likely is he to use it? That seems to be the ability that will determine the match unless the others (like matter manip or void manip) are thought based and happen instantly to their target, regardless of where they may be.
Off the bat, I'd say that Zanza's constant visions would prove a real threat to Darkseid, as he knows everything that he's going to do.
However, I see that Darkseid has mind control. How likely is he to use it? That seems to be the ability that will determine the match unless the others (like matter manip or void manip) are thought based and happen instantly to their target, regardless of where they may be.
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From what I can remember, the omega beams are Darkseid's go to move. Though I'm not 100% sure that he uses them a lot during pre-crisis. As for mind control, idk
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Ah, okay. Thank you. I suppose I'll wait for other input then. Though it would be basically impossible to land an omega beam on Zanza, lol.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Zanza could just Monado Purge before Darkseid lands the Omega Beams. If he leads with mind manipulation, it he might stand a chance, but still. Omnipresent levels of precognition, Causality manipulation/Reality Warping and Perception + Power Nullification are all pretty broken here.
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I assume that's a vote for Zanza?
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Yes, I suppose so.
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Alright. Guess I'll also side with Zanza FRA.
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Darkseid uses his mental stuff quite often, both Omega Sanction and the Anti-Life equation.
However, I feel like people are forgetting about the whole 5D immortality yjing here. How does zanza get by that?
However, I feel like people are forgetting about the whole 5D immortality yjing here. How does zanza get by that?
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5D immortality? How does that work?
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Aren't these their 2-C forms though? Not High 2-A. I don't see why stuff from a more powerful key would apply here.
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Is that applicable here?
If so, then Zanza doesn't seem to have a feasible way past that unless destroying and recreating the universe works.
If so, then Zanza doesn't seem to have a feasible way past that unless destroying and recreating the universe works.
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Okay. So I mean unless destroying the universe works then I don't see a feasible way for Zanza to bypass a High 2-A being doing anything.
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Death doesn't have to be permanent for Zanza to win. Darkseid usually waits a long time before creating another avatar. And as long as the death lasts at 1 hour, than Zanza wins. Darkseid typically takes months to respawn his next avatar iirc. Standard Battle Assumptions says death only needs to last 1 hour.
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Oh, if that's the case then I'll keep my vote as is.
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Pretty sure death is a day, as KO is different. Darkseid also doesn't actually have to wait, he usually just moves on to other things. I think we had that thread a while ago where we said that characters just giving up isn't allowed anymore.
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Even if it was an hour it's not like creating a Low 2C Avatar takes an hour for a High 2A being like Darkseid
That said does Darkseid have any way to defeat Zanza? As the dude's Precog is really good
That said does Darkseid have any way to defeat Zanza? As the dude's Precog is really good
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Then Darkseid curbs
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Wait, anti life was via sound but you know how it's that comic book MFTL sound that everyone still hears as normal. Idk how we factor that in.
Omega Sanction I'm gonna see if I can find out more about real quick.
Omega Sanction I'm gonna see if I can find out more about real quick.
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Wait, the OS is tied to his beams.
Still, I don't think precog will save you from those. They can move in any direction at any time, relentlessly pursuing their victim until they are struck and suffer the effects of all of his things. Even the Flash, who is waaay faster than Darkseid, couldn't avoid them forever and had to get them to hit something else.
Still, I don't think precog will save you from those. They can move in any direction at any time, relentlessly pursuing their victim until they are struck and suffer the effects of all of his things. Even the Flash, who is waaay faster than Darkseid, couldn't avoid them forever and had to get them to hit something else.
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Then Zanza curbs from what I can tell
I'll wait for input but I'm not sure why everyone ignored the immortality right there on his page
I'll wait for input but I'm not sure why everyone ignored the immortality right there on his page
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I think I am leaning towards darker is due to omega beams and mind manip which he apparently uses a lot
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We didn't ignore his Immortality, and I never said Darkseid can't make more avatars; but rather it's the fact that he doesn't do so in character. Also, Omega Beams are trash because they couldn't even hit Batma . Also, pretty sure Monado Purge would nullify the effects of Omega Beam. Purge is Omnidirectional, has Universal+ wide AoE in the Low 2-C key of Shulk and Zanza, and it's Power Nullification + Paralyses + Perception nullification. It makes the target blind + deaf + unable to smell, taste, or touch + also nullifies extrasensory perceptions, precognitions, and mind reading abilities.
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Okay, well could mind hax still work?
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Darkseid simply giving up isn't allowed by SBA as shown here^Wokistan said:
So Monaco Purge killing an Avatar won't keep one Down for a day
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You didn't read any of the reasonsABoogieYesSir said:
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