Yubel should be at least 5-B by herself

[Jeune_fou]

hello everyone, I went on Yubel's profile and I noticed this sentence in the attack potency section.


"Unknow normally (Has had no actual combat with monsters outside the card game. The commonly thought feat of fighting Exodia was actually against Exodius, in a card game.)"


This claim is false. Here's what actually happened:

1) contrary to what the author of this modification said,Yubel (in Johan's/Jesse's body) actually fought Exodia and not exodius.

2) the fight against Exodia was NOT part of a card game. It actually happened.


Now when it comes to the "story" in the anime here's what happened:

1) Amon Garam/Adrian Gecko sacrificed his friend to obtain Exodia's power (and this isn't a hologram: in this dimension monsters' are real and so are there powers) as you can see here:

http://www.imagebam.com/image/ad84eb502732258 (Adrian/Amon explaining he needs to sacrifice someone in order to obtain Exodia's power)

http://www.imagebam.com/image/035d13502732262 (Adrian/Amon ridding Exodia which shows that he has his powers (he isn't forced to summon Exodia. As we saw he can use Exodia's power himself).

2) Yubel in Johan's/Jesse's body just fought against Ryo/Zane but since Yubel was in a human's body, she lost an important amount of stamina as you can see here: http://www.imagebam.com/image/eff1e6502732269

http://www.imagebam.com/image/0cdcc3502732274

3) Amon/Adrian knew Yubel was fatigued and tried to KILL "her" by using the power of exodia as you can see here:

http://www.imagebam.com/image/8de69f502732283

http://www.imagebam.com/image/88b691502732293

http://www.imagebam.com/image/7192ad502732301

http://www.imagebam.com/image/d695e0502732311

http://www.imagebam.com/image/630db9502732320

http://www.imagebam.com/image/4684c0502732327

http://www.imagebam.com/image/2c010e502732333

http://www.imagebam.com/image/86266d502732338


But even if fatigued and in a human body, Yubel was strong enough to resist and even overpowered Exodia oh and btw, we can see it's clearly Exodia and not Exodius because Exodius looks like this: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/File:ExodiustheUltimateForbiddenLord-OW.png

Adrian/Amon noticed he couldn't kill Yubel so he challenged "her" to a duel which means the clash between them happened BEFORE any card game.

Clearly Yubel should have "at least 5 - B normally" if "she" overpowered Exodia while fatigued and while "she" was in a human body.


And for those who are still sceptical and who think those screenshots come from a card game well ... they can always see the actual episode to check that by themself: http://www3.*********.tv/yu-gi-oh-gx-episode-149

at 7 min 25

If this is not accepted for some reason I'd like to know why. Also you have the link to power scaling pics here: http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/u2jtcw60vh65zgf47ud58hcu79xp15av

Also now that I think about it, since Yubel could sense Exodia before Adrian/Amon used it, I think we should add a power on Yubel's profile "can sense souls and spiritual entities".

 

[SomebodyData]

Hmmm, this changes the reasoning, but not the conclusion sadly.

As mentioned in the previous thread where the changes occurred, one issue with scaling from Exodia is that it explicitly is stated that Exodia is only strong depending on the user's willpower / spiritual energy.

Not only does Yubel state his iron will had been weaken in the video you linked, but we also barely see Exodia, once again suggesting he is not as strong.

 

[Jeune_fou]

Hmmm, this changes the reasoning, but not the conclusion sadly.
As mentioned in the previous thread where the changes occurred, one issue with scaling from Exodia is that it explicitly is stated that Exodia is only strong depending on the user's willpower / spiritual energy.

Not only does Yubel state his iron will had been weaken in the video you linked, but we also barely see Exodia, once again suggesting he is not as strong.

If it's the willpower of Exodia's user then it should be strong enough: Adrian/Amon sacrificed his friend and also he killed Edo/Aster Phoenix.

also she can be scaled from the 3 "sacred beasts" (the sangenma). I know they're not considered scalable to egyptian gods due to a lack of proof but I watched season 1 of gx and they absorbed all energy of all cards/monsters in the whole world.

Among absorbed we know there are:

- All monsters of Jun/Chazz, bastion/Daichi, Asuka/Alexis, Ryo/Zane, Sho/Syrus etc ...

- Monsters of Jun's/chazz's brothers (including king dragun who is at least high multi continental, 3 horned dragon, red eyes black dragon, chaos emperor dragon - envoy of the end (who's considered an almost lengendary card and that is forbidden in tournaments as stated by Daichi/Bastion etc ...)

- monsters from the shop of Yugi's grand father such as "black luster soldier - envoy of the beginning" (who's as powerful as chaos emperor dragon).


Frankly considering they absorbed so many energy from so many monster and that just king dragun is high 6 - A I wouldn't be surprised if they were 5 - B (this is speculation but we can say they're at the very least low 5 - C), especially if you consider the range of their power is planetary since the whole planet was concerned. And we know they took almost all their energy because Chazz's yellow ojama was almost dead.

And Yubel one shot them while she was in Martin's body and by using nothing but her aura. Also, think we can add the "can sense spirits/souls" to the list of her powers?


Also if they absorbed so many energy, that was to manifest themself in the "human world". When they were in the other dimension, they didn't need to do this, which means they were at full power.

 

[SomebodyData]

A- Not sure if we can begin to compare, considering the 5-B Exodia user lacks any willpower feats

B- She said his will had began to wane already, so even if he did that in the past, he isn't comparable anymore.

Just a reminder, but we don't even know if the monster has the power as a card. And it probably doesn't unless it can flood the world as a card...

 

[Jeune_fou]

It makes sense for Adrian/Amon.


And well the card itself is nothing yes. Though the spirit inside of it is different. And they absorbed energy from spirits that are inside of them.

We know this is true because like I said Ojama yellow started to die. Though you could think that since Jun/Chazz can see spirits only those who have a "special bond" with some specific spirits (Judai's heros, his winged kuriboh or Jun's/chazz's ojamas).

But it concerns all spirits on earth (except of course some spirits such as egyptian gods who are most likely not affected): Sho/Syrus also saw his monsters were dying and said his roids monsters were turning to scrap (on the card artwork: he cannot see spirits). I doubt it's a "card artwork manipulation" ability: it's clear the energy of spirits was absorbed. Also some random kids from the shop saw "cards were dying".

If you want I can show you episodes in question so you'll know what to think of all that.

 

[SomebodyData]

B still stands.

Last time I checked, the Spirits rarely are able to manifest to begin with, so assuming they have the same power as their physical forms is quite a stretch.

 

[Jeune_fou]

Yeah that's true. that said, how do you consider that? Like what kind of tier would it be to absorb that even if they do not have the same power as their physical forms? Like I said pretty much all cards on earth were concerned so that's most likely millions of cards.

 

[Jeune_fou]

And hum one question: since Plasma was updated to 3 - A thanks to the light of destruction, think we can add a key to Judai's profile to say he is 3 - A with the supreme king (who's destined to fight the light of destruction)?

Also once Sho/Syrus said "if the the supreme king returns, this is the end of the universe" but I thought it was a hyperbole so I never used it.

Also one last question: since Yubel actually fought Exodia in a real fight but considering questions about Adrian/Amon's will, do you think we can say "possibly 5 - B" on her profile (and we will precise this is debatable due to the will of exodia's user).

 

[SomebodyData]

Idk, could range from nearly any result, which makes it rather unquantifiable.

Well its 3-A over time via accelerating entropy, so no sadly not.

As for Syrus, no idea.

Sorry, we can't do the possibly 5-B as we don't know how much of a decrease this is.

 

[Jeune_fou]

Thanks for that answer. And do you think Darkness (latest antagonist of season 4) could have a profile. I mean he pretty much mind "raped" the whole humanity, he has full control over world of darkness who grew so massive that it started to extend to all twelve dimensions and he has many hax. He cannot be fully defeated and will always exist as long as the concept of darkness continues to exist.

He was there when the universe was created and if you want to know more about him you can check here: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Nightshroud#Abilities

Thanks in advance for the future repliesand thank you again for replies you already wrote.

 

[SomebodyData]

Hmmm so planetary mind hax, size manipulation, and (considering neos space is near Jupiter), at least Multi-Planetary range. Sounds potent. Needs more context for a full profile

 

[Jeune_fou]

Sorry for the time I took to reply. I wasn't able to connect during almost 2 weeks.

I'd like to know something. About Yubel's profile, do you think it's acceptable to say "possibily 5 - B normally (fought against someone who used Exodia's power but the user's will wasn't that strong, but Yubel herself wasn't at full strenght (was weakened due to her previous duel and was in a human's body)".

At least I think we should removed the "Has had no actual combat with monsters outside the card game. The commonly thought feat of fighting Exodia was actually against Exodius, in a card game" because like I showed in this thread this claim isn't true.


Also yeah, Darkness is very powerful and season 4 showed a lots of hax stuff. That's in that season we learn Yubel is resistant to mind and memory manipulation as well as resistance to telepathy and mind reading. Also it's most likely more than multi planetary in term of range because the 12 dimensions are twelve random points in the universe so even if there were in the same galaxy, that would be multi solar system.

Ah also one thing: each time a human was trapped in the world of Darkness, he was erased from everyone's memory, his physical body disappeared and in addition to that the person is also erased from all documents (such as photos or lists with your name), your presence or name is erased from those documents (that's a form of existence erasure).

 

[SomebodyData]

Nope, like I said before, we don't know the size of the gap/

 

[Jeune_fou]

And what about the "(Has had no actual combat with monsters outside the card game. The commonly thought feat of fighting Exodia was actually against Exodius, in a card game.)"

Can we at least remove that from her profile? (even if you don't agree with what I'm going to to talk just after that, at least I think we should remove it because we both agreed this claim was not true).

And what about "possibly 5 - B", that seems more reasonable than solid 5 - B especially if you consider that even if Exodia wasn't at full power because of the user's (Hamon Garam) will, Yubel wasn't at full power neither because she lost an important amount of her stamina during her previous duel and she was still in a human body.

Despite the fact both weren't at full power, Yubel had the advantage because she forced Hamon Garam to duel her with his cards.

 

[SomebodyData]

Yeah I will once I have time

We have no idea what even is the gap, like I said countless times ago. They might also get downgraded right now.

 

[Jeune_fou]

Yeah I will once I have time
We have no idea what even is the gap, like I said countless times ago. They might also get downgraded right now.

Then what about (for the range her teleportation or the range of her using super polymerization) "at least solar system" since one of the world is around Jupiter?

And woah I didn't know there was currently a debate.

And I think we should unprotect Yubel's page. Originally her page was protected because she was 2 - C but now that she was downgraded to 5 - A with super polymerization I think her page should be editable by anyone (as long as the person in question brings proofs with him/her).

 

[SomebodyData]

At least Stellar you mean?

yep

Idk, seems like it would be vandalized.